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March 27

Portal:Current events/2025 March 27

March 27, 2025 (2025-03-27) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Gaza war March 2025 Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip Hamas announces that an Israeli airstrike has killed Abdel Latif al-Qanou, who served as Hamas' spokesman. (Al Arabiya) Haitian crisis A Kenyan police officer is killed in a possible gang ambush according to Haiti. Kenya has confirmed that the officer is missing but has not yet verified his death. (BBC News) Business and economy 2025 United States trade war with Canada and Mexico, Tariffs in the second Trump administration Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney says a 25% tariff on automotive imports to the United States is a "direct attack" on his country by the Trump administration and vows to respond. (AP) Disasters and accidents March 2025 South Korea wildfires, Landmarks destroyed by climate change Ongoing climate-exacerbated wildfires in South Korea develop into the worst natural fire disaster in the nation's history after doubling in size over the course of 24 hours, killing at least 26 people and destroying much of the ancient Gounsa temple site. (The Guardian) (Yonhap News) Six people are killed and 39 others rescued after a submarine carrying Russian tourists sinks off the Red Sea coast of Hurghada, Egypt. (BBC News) Two people are killed and four others are injured in a fire at a ski resort in Uludağ, Turkey. (Metro) Law and crime 2025 Amsterdam stabbing attack Five people are wounded in a mass stabbing at Dam Square in Amsterdam, Netherlands. The suspect is arrested by police. (Reuters) South Sudanese vice president Riek Machar is detained by security forces following an arrest warrant on "unclear charges", according to his spokesperson. (Sky News)

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RD: Peter Lever

Article: Peter Lever (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:

• Nominated by Joseph2302 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death date not announced but his death was reported today. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:21, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Not Ready + Wait References all over the place, needs fixing, I am going for wait due to fact that his death date has not been announced, Shaneapickle (talk) 15:24, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

meaning this should wait. Shaneapickle (talk) 15:25, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

(Ready) Battle of Khartoum

Article: Battle of Khartoum (2023–2025) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sudanese Armed Forces liberate the capital city of Khartoum after nearly two years of battle. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Sudanese Armed Forces recapture Khartoum from the Rapid Support Forces after almost two years of fighting.
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Vamos Palmeiras (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Turning point in the conflict, ending one of the biggest battles in Sudanese and maybe even African history. The LIBERATION of a capital city. Vamos Palmeiras (talk) 02:34, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Apoio Um possível início do fim de mais uma terrível guerra atual. (Support A possible start of the end of one more terrible actual war.) ArionStar (talk) 03:02, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Support, a capital city changing hands meets ITN and this has lots of reliable news coverage. 675930s (talk) 05:56, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Support but bear in mind that oral traditions don’t record casualty counts and rarely specific battles Kowal2701 (talk) 08:33, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose This is covered by Ongoing and it appears that the civil war will continue as the RSF are regrouping. The blurb seems to take sides with its use of the word "liberate" and we should be wary of triumphalist propaganda issued by one side. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:52, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment - first of all the quality is not quite there yet, some citations needed especially in the Background section. Secondly, per Andrew we certainly shouldn't be using POV language like "liberated" to describe a complex battle; I have proposed a possible ALT blurb to state what happened without taking sides. On notability, I'd say if it's definitely confirmed then probably the recapture of a capital city is blurbworthy, but I think we might need a bit more certainty from RS that the battle has definitely ended first. So far this seems to be mainly being qualified by saying it's according to Burhan rather than stated as a definite fact.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:05, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose, covered by Ongoing. Angusgtw (talk) 12:02, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Comment - It claims that fighting has ended in Khartoum, but it should still be going as there is still fighting in the outsides of the city. But overall Propose alt blurb I think that there should also be a alt blurb stating " Sudanese Armed Forces retakes the City of Khartoum, although skirmishes going on outside the city" Shaneapickle (talk) 12:39, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - see ongoing. — E_F⁵ 12:48, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Support – The capital city has been recaptured. Yes, it is in Ongoing, but we do make exceptions for major events like that, and it is probably the most significant development that could have come out of this war. We would certainly post Kyiv being captured by Russia. Also noting that altblurb is preferable as it doesn't take sides by calling it "liberation". Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:53, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Support - The largest city in Sudan being liberated by the government is a big deal. Lukt64 (talk) 14:10, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Support - The recapture of the capital and largest city in Sudan during devastating war is major enough to warrant its own blurb. PrimalMustelid (talk) 14:36, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Support altblurb. This is the sort of development that warrants posting a blurb.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 14:56, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

(Ready) 2025 Indonesian protests

Article: 2025 Indonesian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nationwide protests erupt across Indonesia in response to the passage of a controversial military law expanding the armed forces' role in governance. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Demonstrations intensify throughout Indonesia following the enactment of legislation increasing military involvement in civilian government roles.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Rising cases of crackdown against freedom of speech, kidnappings, and fears of militarization spark mass protests across Indonesia.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Nationwide protests against the revision of the Indonesian National Armed Forces Law, which expanded the role of the military, erupted in Indonesia.
News source(s): South China Morning Post, Financial Times, Jakarta Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Kaliper1 (talk · give credit)
• Created by DDG9912 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The passage of this law has led to significant public outcry and nationwide demonstrations. Initiated by Indonesian students, it draws concerns over democratic erosion in Indonesia. Article recently changed from 2025 Indonesian Student Protest to 2025 Indonesian Protests due to the prolonged and recently widened scale of the protest to which has reached its second phase and across all 5 major islands. Kaliper1 (talk) 13:29, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose + Wait This is a domestic protest, we only put the serbian one due to alot of reprecussions it had in the balkans, it is too early to say if there is going to be reprecussions to these protests Shaneapickle (talk) 13:33, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Support Relevant and important event due to the democratic erosion fears. Even if it is not as "unconstitutional" as the 2025 Turkish protests , which was nominated and posted for ITN btw, it is still notable enough to list into a potential future "2025 Global Spring Protests" article and could still have an effect to the ASEAN (Southeast Asia) regional area, due to Indonesia's size and presence, politically and economically. (P.S. Don't bring up Singapore) SymphonyWizard72 (talk) 15:09, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

I think this nomination should wait as we have not seen any reprecussions outside of indonesia. Shaneapickle (talk) 15:12, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

The protests has been ongoing for about a week and occured in the context of a greater act of opposition, which has began since last year. The economic effects are apparent with the falling prices of the IDX Composite several days ago. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:15, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Just would like to add that the mentioned "greater act of opposition since last year" was the 2024 Indonesian local election law protests/Emergency Alert for Indonesia Protests, which even this current 2025 protest also use the same symbol (Indonesian national symbol with an EAS aesthetic background) , but now with different color (previously blue, now black).

Many local Indonesian even consider the current protest as the sequel to the previous 2024 one. SymphonyWizard72 (talk) 16:59, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Support per SymphonyWizard72's comment. Addressing Shaneapickle's comment, there has been international repercussions, with Indonesian stock prices falling dramatically and condemnation from Reporters Without Borders on the ongoing police violence. There has also been some response from the UN special rapporteur Mary Lawlor. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:11, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Support significant and relevant protest. Scuba 15:22, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Support Now, it has become a long chain of demonstrations with many persecutions occurring. Significant events have taken place during the protests, and they are still ongoing. Namesk1Y (talk) 15:37, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Support as the Turkish ones was posted. ArionStar (talk) 15:46, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Support as the protest wave has recently heightened again in the capital city Sididukubanyak (talk) 16:22, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Support Blurb SymphonyWizard72 (talk) 17:27, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

March 26

Portal:Current events/2025 March 26

March 26, 2025 (2025-03-26) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Sudanese civil war Battle of Khartoum RSF occupation of the Khartoum International Airport The Sudanese Armed Forces retakes Khartoum International Airport from the Rapid Support Forces (RSF) and seizes state institutions in Khartoum captured earlier in the war by the RSF. (Al Arabiya) Sudanese military leader and Transitional Sovereignty Council Chairman Abdel Fattah al-Burhan declares the liberation of Khartoum from RSF forces after two years of fighting. (France 24) War against the Islamic State Islamic State insurgency in Puntland Puntland counter-terrorism operations The U.S. military conducts airstrikes targeting ISIS militants in the Golis Mountains as part of a coordinated operation led by AFRICOM. The strikes reportedly kill militants without causing any civilian casualties in militant hideouts located in the Golis Mountains of Puntland's Bari Region. (AFP via 24NEWSHD) (AFRICOM) Colombian conflict A motocycle bomb explosion near a police station in Piendamó, Cauca Department, Colombia, injures 18 civilians. (Infobae) Business and economy Tariffs in the second Trump administration U.S. President Donald Trump announces a 25% tariff on all car imports to the U.S. will take effect from April 2. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2025 Bolivia floods Bolivia declares a national emergency after severe floods kill over fifty people and leave more than 100,000 people displaced from their homes. (Reuters) March 2025 South Korea wildfires The death toll from the wildfires in Uiseong and Sancheong counties, South Korea, increases to 24, with 19 others injured. (DW) Four American soldiers go missing during training in the Pabradė Training Area in Lithuania. A search for the soldiers is underway and an investigation has been launched. (Reuters) (USA Today) The European Commission issues a new preparedness strategy for citizens of European Union member states to stockpile 72 hours of food, water and essentials for use in the event of an attack or natural disaster. (The Guardian) International relations International recognition of Kosovo Kenya–Kosovo relations Kenya formally recognizes Kosovo as an independent sovereign state. (Reuters) Law and crime 2022 Brazilian coup plot The Supreme Federal Court of Brazil unanimously votes to bring former president Jair Bolsonaro and seven others as defendants to trial on charges of attempting a coup. (Folha de S.Paulo) (CNN) German Federal Police carry out raids in six states targeting 17 people suspected to be members of Brigade N'Hamedu, a group advocating against the government of Eritrea by causing violence and disruptions at Eritrean cultural events in Germany. (DW) (Euronews) Politics and elections United States government group chat leak The Atlantic magazine releases the full text of a Signal group chat involving senior U.S. national security officials about recent strikes against Houthi targets in Yemen. In the conversation, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth provides exact times of warplane launches, strike packages, and targets. (CBC) The High Court in Seoul, South Korea, clears Democratic Party of Korea leader Lee Jae-myung of charges of violating election laws, allowing him to run in the next South Korean presidential election, where he is heavily favored to win. (DW) (Maeil Business Newspaper)

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2025 Abel prize

Article: Abel prize (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Masaki Kashiwara is awarded the 2025 Abel prize "For his fundamental contributions to algebraic analysis and representation theory, in particular the development of the theory of D-modules and the discovery of crystal bases." (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Masaki Kashiwara is awarded the 2025 Abel Prize for contributions to algebraic analysis and representation theory
Credits:

• Nominated by Fdfexoex (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Fdfexoex (talk) 05:58, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Kashiwara should be the bolded article but needs quite some work first. Tone 07:08, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

I added citations to all the unsourced claims, but his biography is lacking in important details. Ca ^{talk to me!} 10:02, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

I expanded the article with additional sources; seems ready to publish now. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: I have added an altblurb, but the bolded article is currently a stub TNM101 (chat) 10:44, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose As the articles are incomprehensible to the general reader and so are not of encyclopedic quality per MOS:JARGON and WP:NOTTEXTBOOK. D-module and crystal base have next to no inline citations and lack sufficient introductory prose. "Introductory language in the lead (and sometimes the initial sections) of the article should be written in plain terms and concepts that can be understood by any literate reader of Wikipedia without any knowledge in the given field before advancing to more detailed explanations of the topic." Andrew🐉(talk) 10:47, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

All mathematics articles beyond high school topics are incomprehensible to the general reader, and any lede-level summary of them at a generic comprehensible level would be embarrassingly stupid. Somehow these articles still exist and are in fact quite useful, and your opposition is just wikilawyer trash talk. What would you have? "Kashiwara did great things in advanced topics in mathematics." 128.91.40.237 (talk) 11:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

The math artciles aren't the target article for the blurb, so we do not care about their quality or readability. However, the blurb should try its best to explain the significance of these topics if we can (even the Abel Prize's own explanation of the significance [1] gives me little that I could summarizing briefly about his work, though, its that much in the abstract) — Masem (t) 12:01, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Here's some basic maths: two wrongs don't make a right and, per the adage, if you can't explain something simply then you don't really understand it. Anyway, here's how Nature puts it and that seems better than what I'm seeing here

Kashiwara is known for building bridges across seemingly distant branches of mathematics. In particular, he developed algebraic tools to solve tough problems such as differential equations, and he greatly extended the scope of the mathematical theory of symmetry known as representation theory. “He is a master in combining tools from geometry, algebra and analysis to obtain new insights and combinations,” says mathematician Helge Holden, who chairs the Abel Committee.

Andrew🐉(talk) 12:16, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

And here we have it, right on schedule, the know-nothing insulting put-down from a wikilawyering mathsplainer. It's like I said: 99.9% of higher mathematics does not translate in any way shape or form into simple language, accessible to outsiders, unless you turn it into generic, but ultimately meaningless, mush. Nature can get away with the mush because it's simply making a throwaway announcement. An encyclopedia should stay far away from baby talk. (And to all adage-lovers amongst us, meditate upon "don't teach your grandmother how to suck eggs/chew cheese".) 128.91.201.214 (talk) 14:47, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

I am just saying that for all main page sections we have zero expectations of quality for non bolded blue links, the quality is always checked for the featured bolded article. Yes, the math articles should start far more basic and abstract for the general reader but that's not an expectation for posting the blurb about the Abel prize. — Masem (t) 13:42, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

2025 Bolivia floods

Article: 2025 Bolivia floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Floods in Bolivia leave at least fifty people dead and more than 100,000 people displaced from their homes (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Leaves x dead instead of kills x, as the verb is being proposed in the wildfire blurb. ArionStar (talk) 02:30, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support - Sure, incredibly deadly floods are "normal" (they very obviously are not). That's what they said about the tornadoes on March 14, which ended up being the deadliest since 2021. I don't know what it is about ITN editors thinking every weather event ever is an "annual occurence", but it's annoying. — E_F⁵ 12:50, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately gonna have to temporary oppose on quality, but just from a quick google search I can't seem to find much more information. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 02:59, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

[2] ArionStar (talk) 03:06, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose This seems to be the annual rainy season there which has been going on for months. The state of emergency seems to be mainly an administrative move to release funds for this issue. Rain and resulting floods are commonplace -- also happening in Australia and Spain currently too. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:15, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

RD: Fuad Noman

Article: Fuad Noman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mayor of Belo Horizonte who died in office. ArionStar (talk) 02:05, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support Well cited article despite it being somewhat short. NewishIdeas (talk) 16:37, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

RD: Dick Carlson

Article: Dick Carlson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TheWrap
Credits:

• Nominated by KingFredFlintstone (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former U.S. ambassador to the Seychelles and director of the Voice of America, journalist, and father of Tucker Carlson. He died on March 24. KingFredFlintstone (talk) 22:05, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

RD: Stef Wertheimer

Article: Stef Wertheimer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Haaretz
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:54A5:5E8:B824:9F32 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Eliezer1987 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Israeli billionaire industrialist, investor and former member of the Knesset. 240F:7A:6253:1:54A5:5E8:B824:9F32 (talk) 11:35, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

March 2025 South Korea wildfires

Article: March 2025 South Korea wildfires (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 27 people have been killed in South Korea's wildfires. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: High number of causalities Sherenk1 (talk) 05:06, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Support . This will likely make news as the largest single forest fire in Korean history and a huge blow to Korean cultural heritage. Coperacchio (talk) 05:17, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Support, it's a big story and wildfires aren't common in the country 675930s (talk) 13:27, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Comment - Orange tag (although I don't see why it's there). Maybe some WP:PROSELINE concerns. Support on notability though. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 15:49, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Strong support, slightly oppose on blurb. Article is notable and my heart goes out to those affected, however I think this blurb needs a tiny bit more. Thesogra (talk) 18:15, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

What would you think about "The worst wildfires in South Korea's history (Han Duck-soo said this, so not PUFFERY) kill at least 24 people and damages structures of cultural importance" Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:38, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Given the mistake when we did the Japan fires, we should avoid trying to assert and superlative claim in the blurb. Just state the fires and the impact (death toll and size) Masem (t) 19:11, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

How about "Multiple active fires in South Korea kill at least 24 people and destroy hundreds of structures"? Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 19:57, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Support Terrible loss of life and immense damage to cultural heritage. Khuft (talk) 20:27, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

• Strong support and marked as ready. ArionStar (talk) 22:16, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• Not ready Prose and ibox say that 24 people have died, whilst the lead says it's 27 deaths. What's correct? Schwede66 00:01, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  I was the one that changed the ibox to 24, because I see no source for 27 and the body says 24. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 00:15, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  So why didn't you also update the lead, Wildfireupdateman? Schwede66 00:28, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  Oops, forgot about it. In the meantime, the ibox now says 26 but still not sure where they're getting the 22 from in the Uiseong wildfire, so I'm not gonna change it for now IG. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 00:35, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  I've had another look and at this point, I have the choice of 26 (ibox), 27 (lead) and 24 (body) deaths. With that, I cannot write a blurb, I'm afraid. Schwede66 05:21, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  It's been updated to 28 deaths per Reuters - https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/south-korea-battles-worst-ever-wildfires-death-toll-hits-26-2025-03-27/ Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 16:12, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Support fluctuating death county is why there is a current event tag on the article. Scuba 01:32, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Support Same significance as Japan wildfires. Moraljaya67 (talk) 01:51, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Support Decent article quality. This is a unprecedented fire in South Korea. The death count is now 28. Ca ^{talk to me!} 16:06, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

March 25

Portal:Current events/2025 March 25

March 25, 2025 (2025-03-25) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine The United States says that Russia and Ukraine agree to cease all military attacks in the Black Sea to ensure safe passage for commercial shipping, while Russia says that it needs guarantees and an order from the U.S. to Ukraine to respect such a deal. (BBC News) (Reuters) Syrian civil war 2025 massacres of Syrian Alawites The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) announces that it has documented the names of 1,628 mainly-Alawite Syrian civilians who were killed in sectarian massacres by pro-Syrian government forces, in addition to several more missing civilians and bodies. (SOHR) Sudanese civil war Darfur campaign At least 54 people are killed in a Sudanese military airstrike on a market in Tora village, Darfur, Sudan. (CTV News) Disasters and accidents March 2025 South Korea wildfires A wildfire in Uiseong County, South Korea, spreads uncontrollably to the north and east, resulting in at least 16 deaths and forcing tens of thousands of civilians to evacuate. (Yonhap) (AP) Aviation accidents and incidents Three people are injured when two Alpha Jet planes from the French Air and Space Force aerobatics team Patrouille de France crash after a mid-air collision during rehearsals. (France 24) Law and crime 2025 Turkish protests Over 1,400 Turkish civilians, including several journalists, are detained for participating in anti-government protests. (CNN) Criticism of Unification Church in Japan The Tokyo District Court orders the Unification Church to dissolve as a religious organization in Japan. It is the first religious group to be given a revocation order in modern Japanese history. (DW) (AP) Politics and elections 2025 Belarusian presidential election Incumbent Alexander Lukashenko is sworn in for his 7th term as the President of Belarus after winning 85.7% of the votes in the presidential election in January. (AP) (The New York Times) 2025 Gazan anti-Hamas protests Thousands of Palestinian men in northern Gaza Strip take part in the largest anti-Hamas protests since the start of the Gaza war, chanting slogans criticizing Hamas and calling for the war's end. (CNN)

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2025 Balochistan protests

Article: 2025 Balochistan protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A series of protests and economic shutdowns emerge throughout Balochistan in response to early police crackdowns on protests stemming from the Jaffar Express hijacking and regional human rights abuses. (Post)
News source(s): Arab News Dawn ANI News
Credits:

• Nominated by PrimalMustelid (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Significant series of protests and shutdowns of business throughout Balochistan that has been ongoing since 20 March in response to repeated acts of police brutality towards the Baloch community's acts of protests, especially when they escalated their acts by shooting at and killing several protesters and later arresting Mahrang Baloch, the BYC chief and one of the leaders of the protest organizations, on 22 March. PrimalMustelid (talk) 16:17, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Not Ready due to the fact there was no foot notes in the first paragraph or introductionary part of the page. Shaneapickle (talk) 16:24, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Added citations for the lead paragraph. Sorry about that, this is my first time nominating a page on ITN. PrimalMustelid (talk) 16:29, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Comment: Something I would like to note is that the protests had also occurred in Karachi, a city in the separate province of Sindh, on 24 March (although authorities moved to ban the gatherings). Should the article's title and the blurb change to reflect that? And if so, what title should it be, especially considering that there is currently a separate series of protests in Sindh held against canal projects? PrimalMustelid (talk) 01:08, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Melsonby Hoard

Article: Melsonby Hoard (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A large Iron Age hoard found in Melsonby has been revealed at the Yorkshire Museum (pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Archaeologists announce the discovery of the Melsonby Hoard, a large collection of Iron Age itens (example pictured), in a field near Melsonby, North Yorkshire, England.
News source(s): BBC, The Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by Geopersona (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Stronach (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This big archaeological find has been kept secret until now to deter treasure hunters. Our article has just been started, thanks to Geopersona, and will no doubt be expanded as more details emerge. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:39, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Weak support right now, this is a very important find one of the largest ever found in the UK, yet the article does have a bit of a contradiction at the moment. It says at the top that it is being housed at the Yorkshire Museum yet at the bottom it says the museum is merely trying to raise funds to purchase the collection. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 12:22, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

The Museum is displaying the hoard but doesn't own it. Presumably the landowner and the finder have the lion's share. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:39, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Weak support per Chorchapu Shaneapickle (talk) 12:25, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment I'm not seeing any peer-reviewed paper associated with this (going even to the Durham pages on it), which is usually necessary to verify age, origin, etc. It's not that I'm doubting the archeologists here, but that's generally the metric for historical finds like this. Masem (t) 12:38, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

• They have been working on this for four years and their priority has been to stabilise the artifacts before analysing them. Multiple respectable institutions are involved including the British Museum and Durham University Archaeology Dept. The hoard seems similar to a smaller hoard discovered nearby in 1845 and so there don't seem to be any especially controversial claims. The situation seems similar to the Tomb of Thutmose II which we posted recently. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:49, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

• Images Presumably there has been a publication embargo which lifted today as more material is appearing out there such as some fine CC images at the Portable Antiquities Scheme. The example (right) is already on Commons. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:17, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
• Strong Support Major news in the field of archaeology. Article looks good. Khuft (talk) 21:00, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
• Strong Support Alt. Impressive. ArionStar (talk) 22:32, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support Alt blurb. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
• Re blurb The alt blurb is bad. No-one says "Melsonby, England" – that's an Americanism contrary to MOS:TIES. And it's not the Museum which announced the discovery. Per the CNN coverage, the main people issuing a press release are the people who did the bulk of the work -- Durham University. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:18, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  "Archaeologists announce the discovery of the Melsonby Hoard, a large collection of Iron Age itens (example pictured), in a field near Melsonby, North Yorkshire, England"? ArionStar (talk) 23:30, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 03:28, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Anti-Hamas protests in the Gaza Strip

Article: 2025 Gaza Strip anti-Hamas protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Anti-Hamas protests calling for the end of the Gaza war spread across the Gaza Strip. (Post)
News source(s): NPR, CNN
Credits:

• Created and nominated by LunaEclipse (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Evaporation123 (talk · give credit), Yeshivish613 (talk · give credit), The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk · give credit), Rafi Chazon (talk · give credit) and Stephan rostie (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: As many outlets have pointed out, this is a particularly rare event, and thus notable enough for ITN. 🌙Eclipse (she/they/all neos • talk • edits) 01:02, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - There's literally protests all over the world, these don't rise to the level of the latter three. — E_F⁵ 12:47, 27 March 2025 (UTC):Oppose a few hundred protesters. Far from a serious earth-shattering political shakeup. I question why this article exists and isn't a section in the Gaza war article. Scuba 01:34, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Comment I say we wait for a few days to see if the protests would gain more traction. It's still significant given such protests are rare.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 03:12, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support article looks well referenced and these are the biggest protests since Hamas took power nearly two decades ago, where they enjoyed previously very high levels of political support as well. Protests don't have to be successful to be posted, in fact increasingly few protests are. Hamas is also an authoritarian islamist terrorist organisation ruling over a war zone and what has been described as a de facto "world's biggest open-air prison" therefore any protests against their rule are incredibly rare in an environment where freedom to protest is extremely curtailed and dangerous. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  these are the biggest protests since Hamas took power nearly two decades ago

  Your premise is false, this is actually the smallest protests to occur since Hamas became the governemnt of Gaza, there have been larger and more significant anti-government protests than this two-days few hundred individuals protest. see Gaza protests Stephan rostie (talk) 13:33, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  Slightly off-topic nitpick, but that's not the reason why Gaza is described as an open-air prison.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:45, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose First, as Gaza is back in ongoing, this would be covered by that. Second, we simply cannot keep posting every single large protest since multiple are happening across the globe at any time, there needs to be some immediate impact of that, whether if its because the protest turned violent and/or required significant police activity to constrain, or that there is a govt action in response (like an official stepping down). Just posting that a protest happened isn't really useful for ITN because of how frequent these are. Masem (t) 12:39, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose. I agree with most editors here, a protest organized by few hundred people that lasted two days isnt significant enough to have an entire article dedicated to it. Otherwise we should have an article about the israeli anti-government protests than encompassed hundreds of thousands of people at its peak, or an article dedicated to the thousands of american jewish protesters who at the white house protesting israel’s assault on Gaza. I dont think we should have an article for every single protest organized by dozens or few hundreds. Stephan rostie (talk) 13:27, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose Good faith nom, but the bar for posting something covered by ongoing is fairly high, and this doesn't meet it. There were nominations about widely covered massacres and the discovery of mass graves that weren't posted because it's covered by ongoing. And I don't think these protests seem major enough to warrant posting even if it weren't covered by ongoing. There's not really any known impact of these protests so far, and these probably don't make the top five largest protests happening right now.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:42, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

March 24

Portal:Current events/2025 March 24

March 24, 2025 (2025-03-24) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Red Sea crisis Airstrike campaign in Yemen March 2025 United States attacks in Yemen United States government Signal group chat leak A Signal group chat containing many of President Trump's cabinet, discussing several topics including potential strikes in Yemen, is discovered after journalist Jeffrey Goldberg is accidentally added to it. (CNN) The U.S. military launches air raids across Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen overnight, killing at least four people and injuring 13 others in the capital city Sanaa. (Middle East Eye) Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russian re-occupation of Sumy Oblast Ninety people are injured, including 17 children, in a Russian missile attack on a hospital, a school, and a residential area in Sumy, Ukraine. (Le Monde) Luhansk Oblast campaign A Ukrainian artillery strike kills six people, including several journalists from Russia's Izvestia newspaper and Zvezda state media network in Luhansk Oblast, Ukraine. (Reuters) Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine The United States and Russia conclude talks focusing on a ceasefire for the Black Sea between Kyiv and Moscow. (Reuters) Business and economy United Kingdom cost-of-living crisis British supermarket chain Morrisons announces that it will permanently close 52 cafés and 17 stores as part of cost-cutting measures, with the loss of at least 365 jobs expected. (BBC News) American genetic testing company 23andMe files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy and announces plans to sell its assets. (AP) International relations Proposed United States acquisition of Greenland Greenlandic prime minister Múte Bourup Egede says a planned visit to the island by senior American officials, including National Security Advisor Michael Waltz and Second Lady Usha Vance, is "highly aggressive" and was designed to "demonstrate power over us". (CNN) Law and crime 2025 Turkish protests Over 1,100 Turkish anti-government protesters have been detained since the arrest of Ekrem İmamoğlu, with Turkish President Tayyip Erdoğan accusing the demonstrations of being a "movement of violence". (Reuters) (The Guardian) Impeachment of Han Duck-soo The Constitutional Court of South Korea dismisses the impeachment motion of prime minister Han Duck-soo by the National Assembly of South Korea in a 7–1 vote. (Yonhap) (Reuters) One man is killed and another person wounded in a combined ramming, stabbing, and shooting attack by an Israeli arab assailant at a bus stop in Yokneam Illit, Israel. (Reuters)

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RD: Alan Cuckston

Article: Alan Cuckston (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): slippedisc
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English keyboard player, both an expert harpsichordist playing internationally with ensembles focused on early music and a pianist of contemporary music and a praised organist, many recordings. Sadly we have only this obit yet (and a notice from the harpsichord society on facebook). Also sad that the article was a copy from somewhere and had to be complete rephrased. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:21, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support No issues. It was a pleasure to read. Grimes2 (talk) 13:31, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

US government security breach

Article: United States government group chat leak (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A security breach is found after journalist Jeffrey Goldberg is accidentally added to chief US government officials' Signal group chat discussing confidential military operations in Yemen. (Post)
News source(s): Atlantic, Al Jazeera, BBC, DW, France 24, NYT, Reuters,The Times, USA Today
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
• Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gabrielmeir53 (talk · give credit) and WikiFoul (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Aware of WP:NTRUMP and that security breaches do happen, however this an extraordinary unprecedented leak and top news worldwide. And like every government official caught red-handed in wrongdoing it will try to downplay it (the "nothing to see here" tactic) however the gravity in the face of evidence being spread worldwide is inescapable, and likely one for the data protection history books. Article needs a lot of work, beginning with clunky title and the fact it doesn't have an aftermath section. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:28, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support. Staggering incompetence, with likely consequences. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:30, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose because right now there appears that there are going to be no ramifications or punishment to those involved, being all masked among the political circus going on in Congress and the admin. If there is any indication that someone will be held accountable for this, that might be a different reason. Masem (t) 19:40, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  With all due respect, I believe that is a poor rationale to oppose. There has been genocides that have gone without anyone held accountable. Even the current president's proven sexual assault charge has gone without consequence or punishment. In fact the list of wrongdoings by government officials without punishment or ramifications is infinitely longer than those that have, even if you include those with token scapegoats. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:47, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, but this isn’t a genocide and we don’t post BLP-violating convictions. E_F⁵ 19:51, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, my point being that genocides are very much worse but yet even they go unpunished. Also E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump doesn't violate BLP in any way, it's even mentioned in Trump's article lead. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:04, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

There is a huge list of things done by this current admin that go against the constitution or law, that have more significant ramifications (eg DOGE and social security) and which there is litigation happening. The only way that those involved in this leak will see punishment is by Congress and it's clear the GOP leadership there is trying to pass this of. It's another folly at this point, but should it turn out that we actually get punishments or larger impacts, that would possibly justify it better. — Masem (t) 20:11, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

The DOGE and social security only really impacts domestic policy and the US. This however resulted in the bombing of a sovereign nation halfway across the globe, which resulted in deaths, and called an entire continent that is/was mostly allied and fellow NATO-members "freeloaders" whilst doing so too. Arguably the most brazen data breach ever, this is likely to be remembered for a long time, in every future data protection workshop, in every future security breach, in every future unauthorised messaging app use. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:07, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

The article is about the leak itself, which didn't have an effect on Yemen (If it wasn't leaked, the attack still would have happened). The data breach part of this is a major issue though. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 21:10, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

The government officials didn’t even notice Jeffrey Goldberg while they agreed to bomb Yemen, so the leak didn’t result in the bombing. "Most brazen data breach ever" is a matter of opinion, and the rest of your comment is WP:CRYSTALBALL. GN22 (talk) 21:19, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Right but how often do you see military secrets leaked like this? Because I cannot think of any. I can only think of Panama Papers and Wikileaks regarding leaks but even then entirely different scenarios. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:54, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Arguably it's also WP:CRYSTALBALL to say there won't be repercussions, it's too early to tell, but the leak itself is significant otherwise it would not be the top story worldwide today. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:57, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Using CRYSTALBALL to say there won't be repercussions is fine, because if the status quo holds (nothing results from this), WP has not taken any steps to suggest there would be. Its why we should be reactive and try to summarize, and not worry excessive about trying to keep up and certainly not about talking heads projecting importance particularly in the short term. Its how we differentiate from being a newspaper which has the goal of trying to contextualize current events into a larger picture for readers on the spot, whereas we should wait until we know how we can contextualize the event after some time. Masem (t) 12:17, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

This is all predicated on the personal assertion that the status quo has held. On other areas of Wikipedia we can wait, but here items become stale and unpostable in 4 days, which is simply too little time for the evidence you ask of long-term consequences to arise beyond expert consensus that the long-term has changed forever. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:09, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose no external significance outside of the USA; and agree with Masem that there is probably no ramifications to this either. Natg 19 (talk) 19:46, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

• Mmm, I suspect Hegseth and Vance's moronic comments about Europe might well have significance outside the USA i.e. JD Vance and his mates clearly aren’t fit to run a group chat, let alone the world’s strongest military force. [4] Black Kite (talk) 21:12, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

• Strong oppose - No consequences, not significant. So far I haven't seen any "repercussions" or anything saying this was a notable breach and the people that say they will haven't read WP:CRYSTAL yet. E_F⁵ 19:49, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support - Big news event, also in international media and also in the non-English speaking world. --PJ Geest (talk) 19:54, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support We posted the March 2025 United States attacks in Yemen operation and this looks like being the most significant consequence. It's international news because it's a huge embarrassment which they will find difficult to live down. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:07, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  It's not really a consequence. It's related because it involves what the chat said about the attack, and the Atlantic editor realized thus was legit when the actual attack occurred matching the chat, but this is about discovering top military advisors and others in the US using Signal to discuss classified plans on an unsecured platform and personal devices. It could have been about any military plan, it's not an issue specific to the Yemen attack. Masem (t) 20:29, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  It doesn't appear that the Yemen attack had any other significant consequences. See Why the Shipping Industry Isn’t Rushing Back to the Red Sea... Andrew🐉(talk) 21:26, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  Numerous people died. That's an immediate effect. There's nothing immediate yet from this. Masem (t) 21:47, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  The article says that 53 people were killed. But the list of ongoing armed conflicts gives the big picture as 382,000 deaths in 11 years for the Yemen conflict. That's an average of 95 per day. So the US increment does not seem especially numerous or significant. And it's not what's making all the headlines now, is it? Andrew🐉(talk) 22:26, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support Largest security breach in decades in the U.S., and ITN-worthy on that account alone. It will have ramifications even if nobody will be punished. It will for example further affect the relationship with the allies of the U.S. (negatively), particularly the European allies which were bashed in the chat. Yakikaki (talk) 20:23, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  Until those diplomatic ties break down from this, the ramification claims are speculative, which we should not use as a reason to post. Masem (t) 20:31, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  I suspect that the chill on diplomatic relations and intelligence sharing will be very deliberately kept out of the headlines. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:37, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  Not at all, they're already breaking down (a bit more). Yakikaki (talk) 20:40, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  Well, political sniping anyway: "JD Vance and his mates clearly aren’t fit to run a group chat, let alone the world's strongest military force." - Ed Davey. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:44, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  Is it the largest? What about the Snowden leaks? GN22 (talk) 21:15, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support Major governmental security breach with diplomatic repercussions. Fortuna, Imperatrix Mundi 20:47, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, support. The article meets all the requirements, and this is a major security breach that has been widely covered in the news. GN22 (talk) 20:49, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  There are zero mentions of any actual diplomatic repercussions, that is speculation. We cannot work on speculation. Masem (t) 21:15, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  This is another confirmation of the collapse of the Western alliance – as momentous as the collapse of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact. See Trump has blown up the world order, "This is the gravest crisis for Western security since the end of World War Two...", Signalgate: Why the hatred towards Europe? This stuff is going into the history books, along with the Ems dispatch, Zimmermann telegram and other famous leaks. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:42, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

  Seems incredibly speculative at this time to say it's going in the history books. It may end up of no major consequence. Wqwt (talk) 09:44, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - Doesn't seem to have major effects.

Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 20:50, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support Whilst we will inevitably see more spectacular incompetence from this bunch, the fact that their opinions on apparent allies is now in the public domain will have definite consequences. Black Kite (talk) 21:14, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  Maybe I should change to Oppose, because it turns out "The guy's a total sleazebag" and "nobody gives a damn"? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support A major internal failure involving the world's most powerful government. ArionStar (talk) 23:05, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support on significance This is a major security breach with diplomatic consequences. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:27, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose no apparent consequences so far. Will reconsider if something happens. Banedon (talk) 02:35, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Security breach with no consequences isn't really a breach. We don't post false negatives.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:12, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

We're currently posting an assassination attempt which failed (again). We posted a ceasefire which failed (again). We posted a moon landing which failed (again). We post all sorts of ongoing stuff and the main requirement is that it be in the news with quality updates, not that it have some particular effect. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:11, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Some folks might argue that we'd be posting about an Administration which has failed (again)... Martinevans123 (talk) 11:32, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

The main difference is that assassination attempts, ceasefires and moon landings aren't routine events that happen every day, whereas millions of people are added to group chats and leak information on a daily basis. Moreover, they had apparently discussed what happened later or was publicised in a more politically correct way. Goldberg didn't prevent any of the plans, and no-one was held responsible for the leak. I'd like to believe that this is significant, but it's really not despite the obvious media hype.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:02, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

So "millions of people are added to group chats and leak information on a daily basis" just in the Trump administration? Who knew! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:08, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

No, overall, but it doesn't make any difference if there are no consequences. I suppose that someone has to be held responsible if this is a serious security breach as reported. Otherwise, this is as in the proverb "Every miracle lasts only three days." No-one will care about after it rolls off the news feed. There are too many things that happened with Trump and his people so that it's difficult to remember them all.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:22, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm very surprised that you think "it makes no difference" considering who those group members were and what they were discussing.Martinevans123 (talk) 14:26, 26 March 2025 (UTC) p.s. has anyone created Trumpopedia yet? Maybe a dedicated ITN area?

Lots of people still seem to be remembering Hillary Clinton's similar snafu ten years ago and making the obvious parallel. Wikipedia helps provide ammunition for both sides with its categories such as as Classified information in the United States. ITN is likewise supposed to help people find stuff, not to sweep it under the carpet. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:54, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Agreed that the events are comparable, but DYK is more efficient in helping people find stuff, and this article qualifies for it.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:05, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

People are very unlikely to check DYK to find stuff they have an inkling about. Aaron Liu (talk) 00:56, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Government by Tweet? Not when you've got a solid secure platform like Signal! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:05, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support per above. For those saying this has no ramifications, please read "Now Europe Knows What Trump’s Team Calls It Behind Its Back: ‘Pathetic’". This has major implications for US foreign relations with Europe. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:27, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

As a result of this specific incident, has any European country actually taken any steps to change its stance on the US from this? In comparison, as a result of the various deportations and arrests of green card holders, there are concrete effects from at least three EU countries via way of travel advisers. This security incident could raise a lot of concerns outside of the US but so far nothing's really happened, and we should not be rushing to post on hypothetical outcomes. — Masem (t) 12:01, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

I trust experts far more than Wikipedians to weigh the significance of speculation.

“It is clear that the trans-Atlantic relationship, as was, is over, and there is, at best, an indifferent disdain,” said Nathalie Tocci, director of Italy’s Institute of International Affairs, who formerly advised a top E.U. official. “And at worst, and closer to that, there is an active attempt to undermine Europe.”

“The international order is undergoing changes of a magnitude not seen since 1945,” Kaja Kallas, the top E.U. diplomat, said last week

That disregard for normal security procedures will “cause allies to be very reluctant to share analysis and intelligence,” said Ben Hodges, former commander of U.S. forces in Europe. Barring major change, people “will assume America can’t be trusted.”

Aaron Liu (talk) 12:24, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

That's still experts opining what they think will happen. No hard, actual changes have been made, though I have seen a statement from Canada related to the Five Eyes program, though that itself is still "we may have to rethink our relation with the US" non-action.

I fully understand that there are two groundbreaking revelations out of this (the use of non-secured channels to discuss plans, and the disdain of foreign relations in how they discussed those plans) so I know this is severe, but so are about several dozen other actions under the second Trump administration, and this one seems so far hasn't generated any measurable, real-world actions in response compared to things like the downsizing, the seizure of USAID and other independent agencies, the threats over Social Security, and the deportations. ITN should not be focused on stories that only have hypothetical impacts. Masem (t) 12:56, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Unlike social security and deportations this has far more ramifications by virtue of being global and more serious implications, by virtue of affecting—in higher magnitudes—international intelligence operations and relations with more powerful nations, than the USAID shutdown, which I would've supported posting anyways had there been no question over whether it warranted a separate article.

There are no experts opining the opposite. They all believe this "hypothetical" is extremely likely to happen, and speculating with your own analyses that it won't is frankly a bit CrystalBall. Aaron Liu (talk) 13:51, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Speculating that it will is also WP:CRYSTALBALL.   Jalapeño   (u t) 14:03, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

All future events are examples of WP:CRYSTALBALL. There's nothing certain until it happens.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:06, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Did you even read WP:CRYSTALBALL? E_F⁵ 14:11, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

It is not appropriate for editors to insert their own opinions or analyses. Predictions, speculation, forecasts and theories stated by reliable, expert sources or recognized entities in a field may be included

I would like the opposers here to provide more or about the same amount of sources—that predict against the intelligence operations and transatlantic relations changing for the worse—than/as one can find for the opposite side. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:18, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Comment I think tge question of possible ramifications in this case needs to take into account that in the world of diplomacy, consequences can be very real without being overly "concrete". The consequences for the relationship between Europe and the US in this case are too me clearly one of decreased mutual trust, undermining an alliance that has been a bedrock of international relations for decades. It doesn't mean that any "thing" that we can touch will vanish tomorrow, bases be closed or people will start dying. But it's nonetheless a real consequence (just like words can undermine a relationship between two individuals, really). Yakikaki (talk) 15:20, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Social security and deportations are domestic issues. Secretlondon (talk) 12:07, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

ITN does not ban domestic issues (eg: the whole "do not complain about a topic being limited to one country"), but we only really post domestic issues if it results in a change with significant image. I'm not suggesting we should be posting about the SS or deportation factors just yet over this story, as they have yet to reach any tangible defining conclusion or point of no return, simply that if we're looking for the impact of a story, those have clearly documented impacts compared to what's happend to date with the Signal story. Masem (t) 12:21, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support Major security breach with major implications, regardless of the US attempts to downplay, reveals staggering incompetence at the highest levels of US government and is of broad global interest. Polyamorph (talk) 14:14, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support, government members leaking to journalists is incredibly common, security leaks less so. I did think whether we would post this if say it was China, and I think if it were just a normal security leak, no. But since it’s about military action against a sovereign nation, I’d say yes. Sympathise with arguments regarding significance, but this is too important, and imo ITN’s done well regarding coverage of the Trump psychodrama Kowal2701 (talk) 15:19, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support, security leak about another nation is significant enough Sharrdx (talk) 15:45, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose If this happened in another country, I would oppose posting under the rationale that it has no greater significance outside of that country. Indeed, I have opposed many good-faith nominations made by editors from various countries about news that made top headlines in those countries but had no impact outside of those countries. It would be hypocritical of me to change that stance simply because it is happening in my home country. This security breach, while massive news to Americans, has no larger impact to anyone outside of the U.S. Therefore, I oppose. Mlb96 (talk) 16:35, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

  The breach is of interest to numerous countries for the insight it provides into the way the Trump cabinet works and their attitude to places such as Europe. For example, see US war plans leak shows Five Eyes allies must ‘look out for ourselves’, says Mark Carney.

  And, in any case, per WP:ITNDONT, you should not Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive.

  Andrew🐉(talk) 16:48, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

  My concern isn't purely about it being related only to a single country, but rather about the lack of larger significance. You can disagree with me about the lack of larger significance, but I am unlikely to change my opinion. Mlb96 (talk) 16:55, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment AFAIK, no particularly sensational information has been disclosed. The fact that the US military was conducting strikes in Yemen is well-known and the media circus appears to be revolving around the breach itself. But even then the chat was shared with a domestic US journalist rather than foreign adversary which would have been more newsworthy. Personally, I think the journalist should have understood the chat's sensitivity, but instead went on to trumpet about the breach which is a questionable action towards one's own country, to say the least. Brandmeister^talk 17:29, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

  When the most powerful sovereign describes its most powerful ally as a "pathetic" "freeloader" crybaby and has questionable reliablity with OPSEC, that's a deserved circus in need of posting. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:51, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

  That stance has been known before, particularly since J.D. Vance's notorious speech at the Munich conference. But I'm on the fence here. Brandmeister^talk 18:04, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

  Let's not forget this was just one of the minions, not the supreme being himself. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:39, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

  You both have a point, but I think the experts that say it'll have major ramifications probably considered that and that the head of the Department of Defense has historically taken a far more active and powerful role in foreign affairs. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:52, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Deeply embarassing, amazingly blaise, egregiously irresponsible. Though after the ransacking of the federal US government and the open support for extremist parties in Europe were we expecting anything less? Though perhaps not at the level of war strategizing on the level of family chat groups with emojis to boot, not to be amissed of the random outsider. Extremely amusing, but is it anymore significant than whatever the Trump 2.0 has been upto until now? I don't think so. Though this isn't a nothingburger either as some are making it out to be including here and obviously the US government (blaming Goldberg for the debacle rather than seeing the absolute lack of aptitude from the Trump cabinet is also bizzare). This is a major security breach but when put in the larger context of Trump's actions since Jan, I unfortunately have to cite Wikipedia:Not every single thing Donald Trump does deserves an article (or rather here his cabinet). If heads roll in the next few days, we can reconsider, but don't hold your breath. Gotitbro (talk) 18:33, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

  As this article is very obviously notable, the only thing that seems to apply from that is "news sites publish only cuz it's clickbait and free engagement", which... seems like a rather unfalsifiable argument. I highly doubt this will be clutter after 10 years. Experts believe it made Europe pissed. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:37, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  Did you mean to post that somewhere else? Because I simply haven't made the points that are beung ascribed to me above. Gotitbro (talk) 03:13, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  I'm reading the essay you linked. Aaron Liu (talk) 10:55, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  I don't think that is the point the essay makes. The relevant take away is that even substantial media coverage has to be contextualized into the larger going ons of the individual while being vary of RECENTISM. While this event is significant, I don't think stands out much in the larger context of Trump 2.0 is also what I lay out above. Gotitbro (talk) 11:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  I don't understand, could you link me something with some part about contextualized going-ons? (Also, Trump had no role in this.) Aaron Liu (talk) 11:46, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  Well Trump didn't immediately say "we must carry out a thorough investigation of this security breach". He didn't say "my cabinet members made a silly mistake and they need to be reminded of protocol". He just described Jeffrey Goldberg as a "loser" and a "sleazebag"? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:53, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  Who cares what Trump says about the Super Bowl? Trump's ordinary actionless reactions are not news. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  Had not considered such an analogy. I was taking issue with "no role is this". Martinevans123 (talk) 15:24, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  I guess I should've worded it better. Trump's reactions have bits of significance, but they are not the reasons for posting at all. The Super Bowl's posting wasn't because Trump attended it, and TrumpCruft doesn't apply to it either. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:43, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  "More formally, consider checking recency bias against the 10-year or 20-year test." is along the lines of my argument. If no repercursions occur due to this, I doubt much more than a few lines are going to go towards this incident when summarizing this administration. Gotitbro (talk) 15:18, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  I highly doubt this would become clutter after ten years, and I still don't get why the only impact we should evaluate is that inflicted upon Trump. Our slice of the globe is hardly the only context: so is that of the US's relations with Europe and the international intelligence community, and such is seemingly the consensus of experts. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:47, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose The only sensitive information released in the leak were when and what munitions were used in the attack. The bombings already happened, so wouldn’t this be public knowledge already? We also already know how the US government feels about Europe so there’s nothing really new in that regard either. A great example of the incompetence of this administration, but no real long-term consequences. Hungry403 (talk) 18:20, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for discussing the effects on Europe. What do you think about the only and uncountered position of RS expert analyses, and the effects on intelligence? Aaron Liu (talk) 02:38, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support The opposers don't convince me. "It will have no ramifications/consequences"? Well, that's a crystal ball statement if I ever saw one. We don't know at all what ramifications this will have. On the basis of the occurence itself - cabinet members of the most powerful nation on Earth using a public app to discuss national security matters, and inadvertently adding a journalist to their chat - it seems post-worthy to me. Khuft (talk) 20:22, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support given the geopolitical implications, major breach of trust especially with Europe. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:58, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose The bombings over Yemen were already published at the time and are really the notorious and relevant thing. Possibly nothing is going to happen as a result of this, nothing is going to change. Meh. Opposing per Kiril, Mlb96, Hungry 403. _-_Alsor (talk) 00:31, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  Nothing happening due to this is even more indicative of how comically inept these people running the defense department are. Scuba 01:35, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support literally nothing like this has ever happened. Scuba 01:34, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

This is a bit of a weak argument... that does not seem very significant. Nothing ever truly happens again. We would not include something about how ridiculous the media circus can be by including Obama's tan suit controversy. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:45, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Are you really comparing adding a random journalist without security clearance to the top-secret top-level group-chat discussing military operations to Obama's tan suit? Scuba 12:12, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm saying that the only qualities you've brought out are also found in Obama's tan suit. Aaron Liu (talk) 13:26, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

We really should use CrystalBall at ITN to counter arguments of "this will have no significance and nothing will happen" more when RSes disproportionally say it'll have significance and things will happen. Putting aside original research and analysis is what makes Wikipedia the most reliable user-generated resource and one more reliable than Brittanica. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:44, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

"More reliable than Brittanica" is very arguable. For the OR concerns, I think editors at ITN should be able to exercise some form of discretion (WP:10YEARS) as we do at other forums (AfD etc). Gotitbro (talk) 03:18, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

We don't have editors speculating the opposite to what reliable sources say at AfD. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:19, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. It made the news cycle for a day or two, and we all know things are a little crazy right now with lots of developments in the US, but I don't see this having lasting impact.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:59, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: Would people stop referring to CRYSTALBALL with regard to ITN? CB is about the contents of WP articles. No more. The only CBing going on at ITN is whether or not articles meet the significance criteria based on projected impact, which will never be known in less than a week. And frankly, those criteria are quite fuzzy and obviously endlessly debatable in way too many particular cases. CB serves a very useful, necessary role in article quality, but it serves no purpose whatsoever in ITN. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 11:29, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  CrystalBall is frequently cited by ITN editors to point out improper speculation, and I believed that its principles resonated extremely well with ITN editors. I'm surprised that so many of them default to their own speculation over the spirit of what they mean. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:44, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  If there are no immediate documentable impacts and the full impact will not be known for more than a week that begs the question why we might even have an article on it in the first place per NEVENT (though I'm not suggesting this situation doesn't qualify since investigations have been ongoing), much less make it appropriate for ITN. Its why we try to post on events with finality, such as the convictions rather than the arrests of people, for example. We apply CRYSTAL because we're looking to have news articles that document the actual event and its documentable impacts, and not tons of talking heads suggesting the importance of an event (which is what is happening here with this). — Masem (t) 12:11, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

  I am more persuaded by the plethora of talking heads than the "they're wrong because I think they're wrong" of editors. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:09, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

• Day 3 and this is not fading – the attention and coverage is ramping up. The brazen denials have provoked The Atlantic into posting a more detailed transcript of the chat messages and they are damning. Other investigators are now doing deep dives and finding more red meat – see German newspaper boasts it tracked down private data of top US security officials. I've been watching the hearings in Congress as they are making good television too. There's something to see here... Andrew🐉(talk) 12:46, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
  • But it's still all limited to partisan games being played by the GOP or being buried by Trump. No I mediation actions, including actions from foreign govt, have occurred. That type of story is not good ITN material as it gives far too much a bias on US political shenanigans. — Masem (t) 16:02, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Ongoing: Myanmar civil war (2021–present)

Article: Myanmar civil war (2021–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press Genocide Watch nippon.com Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by JadenStar10 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Recent escalation in violence, territorial losses by the junta, and growing civilian displacement in Myanmar. As reported by Reuters and AP, the military is openly acknowledging setbacks, while resistance forces are gaining ground. Humanitarian concerns are rising, and experts warn of a worsening crisis with no signs of de-escalation. JadenStar10 (talk) 23:53, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose less than 100 edits this year. Stephen 00:29, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  Right..., it has 94 edits. I'm unsure of why having 94 edits this year would disqualify the war from being featured in the news. JadenStar10 (talk) 01:14, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  Per WP:ONGOING the article must be continuously updated. Stephen 01:25, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  Again, I don't understand why having 1.33 edits a day would disqualify from the fact that it is continuously edited. If the article is being updated about once a day and a third on average, I think that qualifies for it being "continuously edited." JadenStar10 (talk) 06:33, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  By comparison, JadenStar10, the Gaza war (which we are about to add to ongoing) has had just shy of 500 edits this year. Schwede66 05:04, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  While the Gaza war has about 5x more edits than the Myanmar Civil War, I dont think it is fair to use it as a basis of measure, especially with the hyper polarity and attention around the issue in comparison to the Myanmar Civil War which is arguably also a very important conflict. I would contend that having an article be updated about once a day and a third on average qualifies for it being "continuously edited." JadenStar10 (talk) 06:36, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  To be fair, the Middle East garners far more headlines in the English-speaking world than Southeast Asia. It's been that way for a half-century now. Naturally, this means more people will be interested in editing Gaza-related Wikipedia articles than about Myanmar, which only gets attention every now and then. Kurtis ^(talk) 09:58, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Support There has been alot of continuous editing on this page, as JadenStar10 said, and this is a really long ongoing conflict. The recent escalation should be put maybe into another page but, if not still support. Shaneapickle (talk) 12:18, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Compared to the other items in Ongoing, this is not receiving neither the near-daily coverage, nor the update frequency we'd expect an ongoing topic to have to be included in the ITN box. Masem (t) 12:34, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Masem and Stephen, not receiving the quantity and depth of updates needed to merit posting on Ongoing. Spencer^T•C 14:24, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

March 23

Portal:Current events/2025 March 23

March 23, 2025 (2025-03-23) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Gaza war Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip March 2025 Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip Hamas announces that an Israeli airstrike killed Salah al-Bardawil, a top member of the group's political bureau. (BBC News) Hamas says that an Israeli airstrike killed Ismail Barhoum, a member of the group's political bureau, via the operating theater at Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis where Barhoum was receiving treatment after sustaining critical injuries in an air strike targeting his home in Khan Yunis last Tuesday. (France 24) Spillover of the Somali Civil War 2025 Garissa attack At least six police officers are killed and five others are injured in an Al-Shabaab attack on a police reservists camp in Fafi, Garissa, Kenya. Dozens of militants are also killed. (Garowe Online) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Sixteen Pakistani Taliban gunmen are killed by soldiers in a shootout while attempting to enter in to Ghulam Khan. (AP) Insurgency in Balochistan Eight people, including at least four police officers, are killed in two separate mass shootings in Nushki and Kalat District, Balochistan, Pakistan. (Report.az) Red Sea crisis The Israel Defense Forces report that they intercepted a ballistic missile launched by the Houthis from Yemen, which triggered sirens across central Israel. (Times of Israel) Russian invasion of Ukraine Seven people are killed and dozens are injured across Ukraine by overnight Russian drone strikes, including three civilians killed in Kyiv. (CTV News) Ukrainian troops reportedly recapture the village of Nadiia, Luhansk Oblast. (Kyiv Post) Disasters and accidents A van crashes into a ravine and catches fire in Nuevo León, Mexico, killing twelve people and injuring four others. The vehicle fire also sparked a small wildfire in the surrounding forest. (Reuters) International relations Middle Eastern crisis U.S. National Security Advisor Mike Waltz says that the U.S. wants the "full dismantlement" of Iran's nuclear program and that "all options are on the table". (Al Arabiya) (Reuters) Law and crime 2025 Turkish protests, Censorship in Turkey A statement by social media company X expresses that it objects to "multiple court orders" from the government of Turkey to block more than 700 accounts belonging to opposition political figures, journalists, news outlets, and student protesters. (BBC News) Politics and elections 2025 Turkish protests Several hundred thousands of anti-Erdoğan government protesters demonstrate outside of Istanbul City Hall, with the nationwide protests becoming the largest Turkish political demonstration movement in over a decade. (AP) Sports 2025 WTA Tour 2025 Miami Open In tennis, Alexandra Eala becomes the first Filipino player to defeat a top-10 opponent since the WTA rankings began in 1975, after winning in the third round of the Women's singles tournament at the Miami Open against world No. 5 Madison Keys. (The Athletic) 2025 CONCACAF Nations League Finals In association football, Mexico wins its first Nations League title after defeating Panama 2–1 in the final held at SoFi Stadium in Inglewood, California, United States. (RFI)

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(Posted) RD: Mia Love

Article: Mia Love (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deseret News, Salt Lake Tribune
Credits:

• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Connormah (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former U.S. representative. Curbon7 (talk) 04:57, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Support Article has good quality and is well sourced. In addition, the subject was notable as she was the first black representative to be elected in Utah. AsaQuathern (talk) 14:57, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Support And the first black woman Republican to be elected from any state. Rest in Peace. Ryan Reeder (talk) 16:14, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Support Looks like a nice well-written article Yeshivish613 (talk) 18:38, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Support Notable politician's death. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:08, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Posted. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 22:17, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

RD: Max Frankel

Article: Max Frankel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Y2hyaXM (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Journalist & former executive editor of the New York Times. Staraction (talk | contribs) 14:46, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Jessica Aber

Article: Jessica Aber (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by EF5 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: US attorney. Despite the low pageviews, death appears to be making headlines due to the unusual circumstances. E_F⁵ 01:42, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support Although the article is short, it is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:01, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support - The article seems sufficient and well-sourced. However, the nominator refers to the 'unusual circumstances', and it's not clear from the article what those are. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:52, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
  • GenevieveDEon, I guess I should've said that she passed away at 43, which the media perceives as "sudden" or "unusual" for some reason. — E_F⁵ 12:36, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

It's definitely a young age - but I also get the feeling there's more to it. This story was on the front page of the BBC website yesterday. One to watch. GenevieveDEon (talk) 03:46, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

I’m so far I haven’t seen anything explicitly saying her passing wasn’t natural; it’s best to not speculate. E_F⁵ 12:15, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

WP:TALKOFFTOPIC

Comment The nomination talks of low page views but she's trending now with 200K views yesterday. For comparison, George Foreman had 300K views yesterday. We'll have to wait for the medical examiner's report but I see multiple reports lately that untimely deaths in younger people have risen significantly in recent years. For example, see Young Adults Are Dying Earlier Than Expected, Mortality Trends Among Early Adults , etc. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:31, 24 March 2025 (UTC) The circumstances of her death alone shouldn’t determine whether someone can be posted at ITNR. EF5 11:32, 24 March 2025 (UTC) You've been told repeatedly to refrain from bringing up page views as an ITN rationale. We don't consider those in any fashion, definitely not for a simple RD entry. Masem (t) 12:06, 24 March 2025 (UTC) This is not a simple matter as it seems to be in the scope of WP:ARBAP2 and so may be a contentious topic. The readership indicates that it's getting a lot of attention currently and a high-profile uncertain and untimely death also brings in WP:BDP. Careful treatment is therefore appropriate, not just some run-of-the-mill rubber stamp. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:29, 24 March 2025 (UTC) Until there's clear evidence of the death being due to foul play, WP is not TMZ/gossip mill and we shouldnt be trying to promote the death as being suspect via ITN. It doesn't matter if internet theories are flying around that her death was tied to the legal work she dud, we should not at be entertaining that aspect, which this basically is arguing in terms of page views. — Masem (t) 18:54, 24 March 2025 (UTC) This is just an RD nomination. I only drew attention to the circumstances of death because of an ambiguity in the nominator's comment, which has now been resolved. Posting this article to RD should be absolutely a matter of course, and certainly doesn't count as 'promoting the death as being suspect'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:58, 24 March 2025 (UTC) Right the RD itself isn't an issue, nor does the article go into much about the death beyond a statement from associate. My concern is suggesting that because internet rumors are aflame that there was sonething suspicious about the death that maybe a blurb is warrented because lots of people were looking for the article. That's extremely troubling if that's the logic behind that suggestion. — Masem (t) 20:17, 24 March 2025 (UTC) Your comment, right there, is the first time anyone has mentioned 'blurb' in this discussion. That's not the current proposal, and I see no reason to change that. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:26, 24 March 2025 (UTC) @Masem: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is this way. Reminder that Andrew Davidson has been banned from deletion-related activities due to similar behaviour. BangJan1999 18:40, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

• Article is not ready; it's too stubby. Schwede66 22:07, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support Article is now 1723 characters. It is short, but does an acceptable of covering her life. Thriley (talk) 06:11, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support The article is short, but imo meets the threshold for being long enough to post to RD, and there are no issues with citations. Additionally, I've hatted the above thread regarding page views and speculation about her cause of death under WP:TALKOFFTOPIC. The only criterion for posting a recent death is article quality. Mlb96 (talk) 16:50, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

March 22

Portal:Current events/2025 March 22

March 22, 2025 (2025-03-22) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Western Syria clashes 2025 massacres of Syrian Alawites The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) reports that thousands of Syrian civilians are still missing following sectarian reprisal massacres committed by Syrian government-affiliated forces that killed at least 1,614 coastal civilians, including many Alawites and Christians. (SOHR) The SOHR also reports several efforts by pro-government forces to hide the scale of the atrocities by gathering unaccounted bodies into mass graves, through cremation, or retaining hundreds of unidentified corpses from families. (SOHR) Israeli–Lebanese conflict Israeli invasion of Lebanon Six people, including a child, are killed by Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon in the heaviest exchange of fire since the ceasefire with the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah almost four months ago. The strikes were carried out in retaliation for rockets from Lebanon being fired into Israel. (CTV News) Russian invasion of Ukraine Zaporizhzhia strikes, Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine An overnight Russian drone attack on Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine, kills three people and wounds twelve others. Several apartments in residential areas are targeted during the attack. (AP) Pokrovsk offensive Russian artillery targets Pokrovsk in Donetsk Oblast, killing three people and injuring one other person. (Reuters) Somali Civil War 2025 Shabelle offensive At least 100 al-Shabaab militant fighters are killed in a Somali Air Force airstrike in the Lower Shabelle region of the South West State, Somalia. (TRAC) Sudanese civil war Battle of Khartoum The Sudanese Armed Forces say that they seized control of the main headquarters of the central bank from the Rapid Support Forces as it continues to make advances in Khartoum. (Al Jazeera) Ethiopian civil war Ethiopian National Defense Forces claimed to have killed more than 300 fighters from the Fano armed group in two days of clashes in the northern Amhara region of Ethiopia. (Reuters) Fambita mosque attack Niger declares three days of national mourning after yesterday's attack in which 44 people were killed in a mosque in Fambita. (Al Jazeera) Red Sea crisis A ballistic missile disintegrates over Saudi Arabia after being fired by the Houthis from Yemen against Israel. (The Jerusalem Post) Disasters and accidents 2025 Trident Aviation DHC-5 crash A de Havilland Canada DHC-5 Buffalo cargo plane en route from Dhobley Airport in Lower Juba, Jubaland, to Aden Adde International Airport in Somalia’s capital city, Mogadishu, crashes in the Ceel Xabaaloow settlement in Lower Shabelle, South West State, killing all five Kenyan crew members on board. (Somalia Civil Aviation Authority) (Idil News) March 2025 South Korea wildfires Three firefighters and a civilian are killed after multiple wildfires sweep across a large forested area in South Korea. (DW) International relations Foreign ministers from Japan, China, and South Korea meet in Tokyo to discuss cooperation on shared challenges like aging populations and climate change, seeking to improve relations and prepare for a leaders' summit. Japan raises security concerns about North Korea while China criticizes protectionism and the politicization of science. (AP) Law and crime The United States lifts a $10 million dollar reward for information leading to the arrest of Afghan warlord Sirajuddin Haqqani after the Taliban released an American citizen who had been kept in captivity for two years. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections Gaza war Gaza war protests in Israel More than 100,000 Israelis gather in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, and other cities in Israel to demonstrate and demand a deal for the Israeli government and Hamas to release all hostages. The protesters also accuse the Israeli government of working against its people, calling for a right of rebellion and new elections. (NPR) 2025 Turkish protests Anti-Erdoğan government protests spread to fifty-five of Turkey's eighty-one provinces, with Republican People's Party leader Özgür Özel estimating that over half a million protesters are demonstrating in Istanbul alone. At least 343 protesters are arrested by Turkish police. (France 24)

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Fambita mosque attack

Article: Fambita mosque attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Islamic State – Sahel Province militants attack a mosque and set fire to buildings in Fambita, Kokorou, Tillabéri Region, Niger, leaving at least 44 people dead and 13 others wounded. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Leaving dead instead of to kill, as all five blurbs have the verb. ArionStar (talk) 22:01, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Support on notability, oppose on quality. Article could be improved as there is only three sources and little information. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 00:55, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Support getting significant coverage, and the article looks okay to me. Will only get better with time. Scuba 13:16, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Support article looks good and it is a notable event LuxembourgFan42 (talk) 15:10, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Support: This is a notable event, with enough notability and OK quality. Elios Peredhel (talk) 01:48, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose for the time being on quality. Not long enough, and no detail on how the attack actually took place, were the victims shot? When expanded, happy to support it seems a noteworthy incident.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:36, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Agree with Amakuru; this doesn't look ready. Schwede66 22:02, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Support it seems notable enough to post and there's nothing to oppose on quality. MegaTournament (talk) 12:56, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose on quality. Stubby at 1538 B (218 words), esp. when the lead contributes decent amount to that size with repeated info, which would be more useful if the page was larger and worth summarizing. As others said, needs more details on the actual attack.—Bagumba (talk) 04:48, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kitty Dukakis

Article: Kitty Dukakis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Boston Globe
Credits:

• Nominated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former First Lady of Massachusetts and wife of Michael Dukakis. 88. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:32, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:32, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Support I count exactly 2 cn tags, which I don't think is enough to exclude the article from RD. Scuba 20:49, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Support Wife of former presidential candidate Michael Dukakis and subject for the most horrific gotcha question by Bernard Shaw. 2607:FEA8:9DE:67E0:3A49:7223:C7A:2F5E (talk) 02:31, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support I would like to see the CN tags go, but I haven't been able to get rid of them yet. (I did partially fix one though.) However, I think we could also get rid of those un-cited statements without losing anything important. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 03:21, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support article has few enough cn statements to be good. Those can just be removed if need be Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:55, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 22:01, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

March 21

Portal:Current events/2025 March 21

March 21, 2025 (2025-03-21) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Middle Eastern crisis Gaza war Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip March 2025 Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip Israeli Defense Minster Israel Katz orders the Israel Defense Forces to occupy new areas of the Gaza Strip, and threatens to annex sections of Gaza if Hamas refuses to release all its remaining Israeli hostages. (The Guardian) Red Sea crisis Israel intercepts a ballistic missile that the Houthis in Yemen claim to have fired at the Ben Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine Kursk offensive A gas pumping and measuring station in Kursk Oblast, Russia, is set on fire after a major explosion occurs. Russia and Ukraine blame each other for the attack. (Reuters) (Reuters) An explosion occurs at an oil depot in Krasnodar Krai, Russia, caused by a fire that has been burning since Tuesday. The fire spreads to another tank and increases to 10,000 m2 (110,000 sq ft), injuring two firefighters. (Reuters) International sanctions during the Russian invasion of Ukraine The German Navy reportedly seizes the Panamanian-flagged oil tanker Eventin, suspected to be part of the Russian shadow fleet, along with at least €43.3 million ($46 million) worth of cargo, in the Baltic Sea. (DW) (The Times) Sudanese civil war Battle of Khartoum The Sudanese Armed Forces retakes the presidential palace in Khartoum, Sudan, after the Rapid Support Forces' withdrawal. (BBC) Fambita mosque attack At least 44 people are killed and thirteen others are injured in an attack on a mosque in Fambita, Niger. The Ministry of National Defense blames the Islamic State. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse A 19-year-old dies in hospital from his injuries after a canopy collapsed in 2024 at the Novi Sad railway station in Novi Sad, Vojvodina, Serbia, which killed 15 others. (CTV News) According to the International Organization of Migration, a record 8,938 migrant deaths were recorded in 2024, over 200 more than 2023, the previous record year. Most deaths are attributed to Asia, the Mediterranean Sea, and Africa. (DW) (Al Jazeera) Heathrow Airport in London, England, closes for most of the day due to a "significant power outage" resulting from a fire at an electrical substation in nearby Hayes. At least 1,351 flights are affected by the shutdown, with many diverted to alternative airports or returning to their origin airport. (CBS News) (BBC News) (NBC News) The Lewotobi Laki-Laki volcano erupts, prompting at least 4,700 villagers to evacuate and causing at least seven outbound flights from Ngurah Rai International Airport in Bali, Indonesia, to cancel. (DW) International relations United Arab Emirates–United States relations The United Arab Emirates commits to a US$1.4 trillion investment into the United States economy over ten years. (Reuters) Law and crime Mass shootings in the United States Three people are killed and fifteen others are injured in a mass shooting in a parking lot during a large gathering at Young Park in Las Cruces, New Mexico, United States. (ABC News) (Channel2 NOW) Politics and elections 2024 Namibian general election Netumbo Nandi-Ndaitwah is sworn in as the first female President of Namibia, suceeding Nangolo Mbumba. (BBC) 2025 Turkish anti-government protests, Arrest of Ekrem İmamoğlu Tens of thousands of anti-government protesters hold demonstrations in Istanbul, İzmir, Ankara, and several other cities in Turkey against the government of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, following its detention of over 100 opposition figures and crackdown on public gatherings and social media content. (Reuters) Tunisian president Kais Saied appoints Sara Zaafarani as the new Prime Minister. She succeeds Kamel Madouri, who has been sacked by Saied amid an economic and migration crisis. (Reuters) Science and technology Next Generation Air Dominance The Trump administration announces a new air superiority sixth-generation fighter aircraft produced by Boeing, the Boeing F-47. (FOX News) (TWZ)

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RD: Filiz Akın

Article: Filiz Akın (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 ArionStar (talk) 18:26, 22 March 2025 (UTC)}

• Support Article is well-sourced and ready for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:43, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

• The Filmography table has an empty column for sources. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:17, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) SAF recaptures presidential palace

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Article: Battle of Khartoum (2023–present)#February/March (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Sudanese Armed Forces recaptures several key government buildings in Khartoum, including the presidential palace. (Post)
News source(s): AP BBC NYT Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by MT-710 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Major development in the war, widely reported. The article only speaks about this in one sentence, though. MT₍₇₁₀₎ 11:51, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

• Covered by ongoing Masem (t) 12:05, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

support notable of its own.Sportsnut24 (talk) 12:58, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Ongoing covers this. If the war ends that is probably the only notable thing that we can post. Along with this, article has only two lines of the recapture TNM101 (chat) 15:16, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose there isn't even a proper target article dedicated to the capture of the palace. Scuba 15:50, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose as it's already covered by ongoing. 675930s (talk) 18:38, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Weak oppose This isn’t quite significant enough to warrant a blurb for an ongoing event. Recapturing all of Khartoum would merit a blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 18:50, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose, if Khartoum was recaptured in its entirety a blurb would be good but just recapturing the presidential palace and a few other buildings doesn't quite merit a blurb in itself. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 16:47, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

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RD/blurb: George Foreman

George Foreman

Article: George Foreman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American world heavyweight boxing champion George Foreman (pictured) dies at the age of 76. (Post)
News source(s): The Houston Chronicle, The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
• Updated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Legendary heavyweight boxing champion and namesake/sponsor of the George Foreman Grill. Blurb should probably be considered. The Kip ^(contribs) 02:09, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support grill, er, blurb - Definitely a blurb-worthy figure, being on top of the field of professional boxing for years, and on top of the celebrity-endorsed side of the low-fat personal grill trend. Oppose on quality for now - there's a few uncited sentences in the career sections. Departure– (talk) 02:15, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb - leaving quality judgment to the deaditors but as a popular heavyweight titleholder clearly belongs on the list Omnifalcon (talk) 02:20, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb as this is one of the vital articles in Wikipedia. Sinsyuan✍️🌏🚀 02:34, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, too much unsourced stuff. Oppose blurb at this point not that he shouldn't qualify as a major figure but the article doesn't concisely explain this, this should be at least one or two paragraphs within the body (not just the lede) to explain this. The points in the lede do make it clear why he would qualify as a major figure but the body does not properly also ahve this information, making part of the quality issue. Masem (t) 02:38, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
• Not Ready for the usual reason. This is going to require some work. Neutral/leaning oppose on a blurb once up to scratch. However I will endorse his grill. I had one for years and loved it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:47, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

  I still have one, and I will take it out from time to time. Kurtis ^(talk) 01:00, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb for the usual reasons. An elderly person dying is not news. –DMartin 04:06, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

  "An elderly person dying is not news" - I'm curious, is there any policy against blurbing old people who have had a significant impact in their field dying? By that logic we would have left out Nelson Mandela, Jimmy Carter, George H W Bush, and many other people. Tube·of·Light 05:47, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

  There isn’t a policy against blurbs for influential old people who die. However, there are a few people at ITN who seem to believe that any old person who dies shouldn’t be blurbed, regardless of how influential they were. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:13, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

  But he was extremely influential. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:18, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

  Right, I had a hunch but didn't want to come across as confidently incorrect. Tube·of·Light 17:34, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality, Weak support blurb. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 04:33, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb - Boxing legend. — E_F⁵ 04:39, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, article has 29 CN tags at the moment, plus his fighting record is completely uncited. Once those are fixed, support blurb on notability, he's one of boxing's household names alongside Ali and Tyson, and CNN, the BBC and NY Times all have it on their front page. PolarManne (talk) 04:57, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality and Slight leaning support on blurb Up to 36 citation needed tags now, needs immediate work before posting. I personally have never heard of him (please dont grill me) but I guess if that many sources are reporting then he's probably important TNM101 (chat) 07:22, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, weak oppose blurb so many cn tags need fixing. And yes he was one of the top known boxers of all time, however that isn't enough to meet the "transformative" part needed for death blurb. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:02, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
• Weak support blurb I don't know boxing or business inside-out. But I did always know who George Forman was, and so did many people around me who had no interests in those fields. The page List of world heavyweight boxing champions is going to need further reading for me to understand, but Foreman was one of the world champions in a worldwide, highly popular and highly competitive individual sport. Then he had the transformation into a completely new field by having his name in over 100 million kitchens around the world. Unknown Temptation (talk) 10:08, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb, oppose on quality the Rumble in the Jungle attracted more viewers than the first moon landing—probably a quarter of the world. That's not a transformative just for boxing, that's a transformative event in modern world history. Sure, Ali was the protagonist, but Big George was the antagonist for a reason. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:13, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
• Temporarily oppose until the sourcing issue is dealt with (I've just added two citations, but there are a lot left missing). Once that's done, I absolutely support. Renerpho (talk) 12:10, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Death as an event is not notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 19:49, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

  Jimmy Carter, Jim Brown, Queen Elisabeth, Betty White, Dilip Kumar, Henry Kissinger, Sidney Poitier were all blurbed, their deaths were not notable, and they were all older than Foreman. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:18, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

  And none of them should have been blurbed This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:08, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

That's evidently your opinion, but it wasn't the consensus of the community - especially in the cases of Jimmy Carter and QE2. Of the ones listed, only Betty White stands out as an obviously wrong choice to me. But that's just my opinion. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:18, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Support blurb. Major figure in box and sport. The Rumble in the Jungle was the world's most-watched live television broadcast at the time. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:15, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

• Blurb. One of the most recognizable faces on the planet, surely that must count for something. Hyperbolick (talk) 22:26, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

• I'm leaning towards support blurb as an iconic figure in both boxing and pop culture as a whole. This assumes that his article is adequately sourced and effectively conveys his cultural impact to Wikipedia's readership. Kurtis ^(talk) 01:06, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb - I think people claiming universal recognisability are overstating the case. Having been part of an effective advertising campaign is not the same as actually having a major lasting impact on a significant field of human endeavour. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support, Notable Figure like Muhammad Ali

QalasQalas (talk) 11:20, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Of course we posted Ali, but we did also post Joe Frazier in 2011 although of course WP:ITN/DC was somewhat different in those days, as you can see by the dreadful state of the article when it was posted. Anyway, Oppose on quality at the moment, far too much uncited and under-cited prose. Black Kite (talk) 12:03, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment There are still 25 instances of missing citations. I don't think this can be posted until those have been dealt with. Some are relatively easy to handle -- I've just done three! Come on, let's bring this up to standards. Renerpho (talk) 20:18, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

  I've now resolved the CN issues in subsections Foreman vs. Frazier, Foreman vs. Roman and Foreman vs. Norton, bringing the number of CN tags down from 25 to 20. Some of these are as simple as looking at what sources are used in the main articles; some appear to be WP:OR and are essentially unverifiable, in which case I have removed the material. Renerpho (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb, Wait on quality per above. Boxing champion and the representative of a world-famous grill brand, but the article still has an insane 20 CN tags. --SpectralIon 18:27, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
• Admin comment At this point, we have consensus for a blurb and also consensus that the article isn't ready. Schwede66 22:20, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

  And the bulk are entire unsourced paragraphs. —Bagumba (talk) 01:19, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) F-47

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Article: Boeing F-47 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The US air force awards its Next Generation Air Dominance contract to the Boeing F-47 (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, France 24, NYT, Times of India, USA Today
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by PopularGames (talk · give credit)
• Updated by PRRfan (talk · give credit) and Swatjester (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I just watched the White House launch for this and it made great television! We missed out on the recent conclusion of the Boeing Starliner saga and the discontent about the slippage of the new Air Force One so we shouldn't miss out on this too. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:14, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Strong oppose Besides being not a Trump ticker (the reason its F-47), we dont post business news like this Masem (t) 21:29, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

  Strong oppose per Masem. Departure– (talk) 21:40, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Domestic aircraft development project isn't really ITN. Maybe once it enters service in a few years? qw3rty 21:45, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support This is not any business/aircraft news and has nothing to do with a Trump ticker. It is important news in the present geopolitical context where there is talk of war everywhere. This plane is the most incredible jet fighter ever. This is important for world domination. Tradedia^talk 22:01, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose - I have literally zero confidence this will actually be pursued, given... yeah. Might reconsider once this actually enters service, but other than that this isn't super important. — E_F⁵ 22:04, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose as I recall, we did not cover any other major contracts/unveilings; the photo shows it was unveiled in a similar manner to the B-21 Raider. (which as I recall was never covered in ITN at any stage) While an interesting development, (and sorely-needed good news for Boeing) I don't really think that major turns of the procurement side of things ever really match up to the level for ITN. It'd be excellent DYK (or possibly even OTD) material, however. Nottheking (talk) 23:03, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

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RD: Oleg Gordievsky

Article: Oleg Gordievsky (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (BBC)
Credits:

• Nominated by Eustathius (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: KGB spy and Double agent

(talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:03, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Some uncited paragraphs. Secretlondon (talk) 19:44, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

RD: Osman Sinav

Article: Osman Sınav (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Hurriyet)
Credits:

• Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: notable but needs some work QalasQalas (talk) 17:44, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Well, of course he is notable, otherwise he would not have a Wiki bio. But it's an under-referenced stub. Schwede66 21:52, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) London Heathrow Airport Fire

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Article: Hayes substation fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fire at an electrical substation causes London's Heathrow Airport to shut down all operations, leaving hundreds of thousands of passengers stranded throughout the world. (Post)
News source(s): NYT, Times of India, Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:

• Nominated by Flipandflopped (talk · give credit)
• Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Target article needs some more work detailing the impacts on aviation, but this is garnering widespread coverage across all continents. A fire causing the complete shutdown of the world's fourth busiest airport is an extremely unusual story and sends shockwaves across the aviation industry. Unclear when the airport will reopen, but NYT is saying at least 290,000 passengers are going to be stranded globally at this point, up from 140,000 earlier Friday morning. As that number continues to rise, this becomes more and more notable. Flip^andFlopped ツ 15:39, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality - Two sentences on outages and only a single paragraph on the fire. — E_F⁵ 16:43, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Strong support Major international chaos, one of the busiest airports in the world. More than 1300 flights and 200000 passengers affected. Royaltymv (🗨️) 15:50, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Strong support per Royaltymv. History6042😊 (Contact me) 16:03, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Strong oppose Barring some delays, this seems awfully unimportant to me. The fire wasn't at Heathrow itself, it was at a nearby substation, and I'm questioning how exactly this'll be important in the greater scheme of air safety. Nobody was hurt, they're just going to be late - besides, this was Heathrow, which, while maybe London's biggest, isn't their only airport. Yes, this type of thing is rare and has global effects, but I don't think it's of much importance or blurb-worthy. Departure– (talk) 16:06, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

To answer your question, events like weather often cause widespread cancellations, and that is not unusual. But, to your point, a fire not even at the airport but at a nearby electrical substation causing a total shutdown of all airport operations for 24+ hours, somewhere as huge as LHR? This was unfathomable within the aviation industry right up until it happened this morning. The NYT offers this quote from the Head of the International Air Transport Association:

"Firstly, how is it that absolutely critical aviation infrastructure — of not only national but also global importance — is totally dependent on a single power source without an alternative? If that is the case — as it seems — then it is a total and complete planning failure by the airport, and we will investigate". Flip^andFlopped ツ 16:22, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Strong support as this would cause chaos due to the fact that Heathrow Airport is one the most busiest airports, and a fire could easily cause cancellations of flights. Shaneapickle (talk) 16:29, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm curious about the conditional nature of your comments. "This would cause chaos" - it already has. "A fire could easily cause cancellations" - it already has. A comment like that would ordinarily violate WP:CRYSTAL - but you appear to be predicting things which have already happened, and are in fact the main substance of the newsworthy material here. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:36, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

bruh im sorry i didnt know :/ Shaneapickle (talk) 16:38, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

You don't need to apologise. I just don't understand why you would use 'would' and 'could' about facts that were in the very nomination you were responding to, as well as on the front pages of major news sites. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:27, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Comment This needs more work. Secretlondon (talk) 16:34, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality, support on notability The 4th biggest airport in the world is shut down, the impact of which meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. That being said, the article about the fire and impacts does not meet WP:ITNQUALITY, would expect a significant amount more text added (particularly on Heathrow closure as that is the main story here). Joseph2302 (talk) 16:40, 21 March 2025 (UTC).

  It's shut down for a day at most, that is not significant in the larger picture of events. If it was closed for like a week, that might be getting somewhere, but there are disruptions all the time at airports that shut them down for hours to days at a time, weather, accidents, security incidents, etc. There's zero reason to give Heathrow any special attention here for this reason. Masem (t) 17:11, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support on notability. The article could do a better job of explaining the significance, but this is an unprecedented major infrastructure failure with global implications. Thryduulf (talk) 16:43, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

  I think it's more about the lack of resilience of major privately owned national infrastructure. They say flights will resume tomorrow fwiw. Secretlondon (talk) 17:05, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. Had this gone on longer, I think it would have been worthy of posting, but flights are supposed to resume later today and it will be open again tomorrow. Airport closures like this happen, though the reason may be different. Atlanta's airport, the busiest airport in the world, had to close two months ago because of weather [5]. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 16:52, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Barring any word of extensive (in the billions) of damages or loss of life, this is a "first world problem" and the temporarily stranding of thousands of passangers is not appropriate to cover at ITN. Masem (t) 16:59, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - Only one day. Effects are not unique; airports close all the time, this one has lots of attention only because of the cause. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:13, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose No lasting effect. This will be forgotten in one week. Tradedia^talk 21:44, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Wait until it's clear whether it was an accident or not, it might be significant enough if it's a terror attack (although unlikely given no group's claimed it) Kowal2701 (talk) 22:19, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose are we reporting every fire on earth now as ITN? Scuba 00:19, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

  Very evidently not, but we do cover major fires and fires with major impacts. This is a fire that had major impacts. Thryduulf (talk) 01:13, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose At first it sounded like it'd be substantial enough, but disrupting 1,000-2,000 flights is only along the lines of what a typical severe winter weather event might cause. Had this been a prolonged event, or had some other particularly unusual cause/impact, I'd have felt differently. But as it stands, we see numerous disruptions of this scale around the globe every year; the only real difference is that it affected Heathrow and not a different airport. Nottheking (talk) 01:41, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose When so many of the Support posts use the blatantly tabloid and quite meaningless word "chaos" to support their positions, I'm not convinced we have significant news at all. HiLo48 (talk) 01:58, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support affects hundreds of thousands of people directly, and more indirectly. Compare that to some of the minor accidents that we post on ITN and it's not a comparison. Banedon (talk) 04:00, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Does not have a long-lasting impact and also airport closures are not generally ITN worthy. Moraljaya67 (talk) 05:38, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

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(Closed) Happiness

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Article: World Happiness Report (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Finland and other Nordic countries top the rankings again in the World Happiness Report. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Looking for an ITN topic that isn't morbid, I found this. But an update for this year's report is needed with some detail such as the trend to eat alone. I'm not sure if I'll get to it myself but can promise an ITN credit to anyone who does some heavy lifting. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:56, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose What should set this apart in significance from the HDI/democracy/ease of business/environmental and a numerous other such indices is not at all apparent. Why unchanged ordinal listings from the top are given and not other changes or just a release of the report is also unclear. Not really in the precedence or importance of ITN items that we post. Gotitbro (talk) 12:42, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Has zero impact, and its not up to us to try to balance the amount of bad news that is coming out with good news. That's just how the news works. Masem (t) 13:02, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per both Masem and Gotitbro Shaneapickle (talk) 13:04, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose, we don't filter out bad news and add extra good news, we post major events as reported on by news companies. History6042😊 (Contact me) 13:16, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• This is reported on by numerous respectable news companies. I started with a couple and since then have seen that it's on the front page of the UK's newspaper of record this morning – The Times. It's not especially good or bad – it's rather a mix. But filtering this out is definitely what you're doing. It's blatant. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:02, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

  If it doesn't meet ITN we shouldn't add it just because it is good. Also User:Gotitbro makes a good point that other indices are not posted, so why should this one be? History6042😊 (Contact me) 14:16, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Switch my oppose to Oppose + Close per Masem, Gotitbro, and History6042Shaneapickle (talk) 13:24, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Snow close, it's clear this won't get consensus to post. Cambalachero (talk) 14:26, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Neutral This is definitely going to be closed early per the snowball clause, and I was about to close it myself. But I honestly do feel a little differently from the rest so I figured I'd rather be involved than be closer. I appreciate this good faith nom as someone who loves keeping track of indices like this. I keep track of the Democracy Index, the Press Freedom Index, the Inequality-adjusted Human Development Index, the World Happiness Report nominated here, the Gender Inequality Index, and the Global Peace Index. I might be the only ITN lurker who actually finds these annual lists fascinating and wouldn't mind posting one or two of them per year as long as they get enough news coverage. A few years ago, I even took the time to painstakingly enter all the data from all of the indices I mentioned and averaged them together to determine the best country as of 2021 (it was Iceland, barely beating out Norway). But I also have to recognize that this is an exceedingly niche subject matter that very, very few people will find half as interesting as I do. I'd support if I were convinced this is getting enough attention in the news, since I view a country earning 1st place on a major index as analagous to an individual earning an annual award – it's not that different from the sort of things we already post (though I also recognize that some ITN regulars feel we already post too many awards as-is). But even if I outright supported, my lone !vote would be buried in snow.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 15:43, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

  These explicitly are not competitions or awards and shouldn't be treated as such. Gotitbro (talk) 17:04, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

  The phrasing of "these explicitly are not competitions or awards and shouldn't be treated as such" implies that the people behind any of these indices have commented on treating them as competitions and advised against doing so, but I'm not aware of any such comments being made. I'm also not exactly sure what it would really mean to "treat them as competitions" – after all, all we'd be doing is stating the name of the country that received the best score, something that these indices already do themselves in their reports, and something the media announces in its reporting. All throughout the actual text of the World Happiness Report is paragraphs of exposition about why Finland in particular received the highest score, we wouldn't be doing anything they're not. I'm okay with us not posting on notability, I just disagree with this implication that blurbing them would be treating them inappropriately somehow.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:12, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - what's the impact of this?

Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:14, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality and on notability. Even if notable, the 2025 update is not in the article, so quality is not met. Natg 19 (talk) 20:25, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

March 20

Portal:Current events/2025 March 20

March 20, 2025 (2025-03-20) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Middle Eastern crisis Gaza war Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip March 2025 Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip Early morning attacks conducted by the Israel Defense Forces on the Gaza Strip reportedly kill at least 91 Palestinians, including children. (CTV News) (Al Jazeera) Red Sea crisis Israel intercepts a ballistic missile fired by the Houthis from Yemen that targeted the Ben Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv. (CNN) Kivu conflict M23 campaign 2025 Walikale offensive Rwandan-backed M23 rebels capture the town of Walikale in North Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo, following the collapse of peace talks with the Congolese government. (AP) Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine Massive explosions are reported after the Ukrainian Armed Forces drone strike the Engels-2 air base in Russia. Reports indicate that nearby houses are also damaged by the explosions. (Reuters) Odesa strikes Russia launches a massive drone attack in Odesa, Ukraine, causing injuries among civilians and damaging civilian infrastructure. (Reuters) Business and economy German economic crisis Deutsche Bank, a German multinational investment bank and financial services company, announces it will downsize and cut 2,000 jobs in its retail banking division this year. (DW) International relations Germany–Syria relations Germany reopens its embassy in Damascus, Syria after 13 years. (Euronews) Law and crime 2025 Turkish anti-government protests, Internet regulation in Turkey The Turkish government arrests dozens of civilians for posting "provocative" social media posts protesting the government's democratic backsliding following the arrest of opposition candidate Ekrem İmamoğlu. (BBC) The Indonesian House of Representatives passes a law revision regarding the armed forces, which expands the amount of civilian positions an active officer can hold from ten to fourteen while also raising the retirement age for soldiers, prompting protests across the country fearing eroding civil control. (Tempo) (CNN Indonesia) Social media company X files a lawsuit against the government of India alleging that the Indian government is censoring the social media platform along with other information. (DW) Politics and elections Second Trump presidency Response to the Department of Government Efficiency United States district judge for the District of Maryland Ellen Lipton Hollander temporarily blocks the Department of Government Efficiency from accessing Social Security systems that cover the personal information of U.S. citizens. Judge Hollander also orders the department to delete any previously accessed personal identifiable information in their possession. (AP) U.S. President Donald Trump signs an executive order that orders Secretary of Education Linda McMahon to start dismantling the U.S. Department of Education, which is responsible for allocating federal funds to schools and disbursing financial aid. (NBC News) (NPR) Vitold Fokin, the first prime minister of modern-day Ukraine, dies at age 92. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy mourns him as "a sense of loss for all Ukrainians". (The Kyiv Independent) Science and technology The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration orders a product recall of 46,000 Tesla Cybertrucks, nearly all active Cybertrucks on the roads, due to an issue with an exterior panel that can detach while driving due to an ineffective structural adhesive. (AP) (The Hill) Sports 144th IOC Session Zimbabwe's Sports Minister Kirsty Coventry is elected as the 10th and first female President of the International Olympic Committee in the first round of voting. (BBC) The International Olympic Committee votes unanimously to include boxing in the 2028 Summer Olympics. (BBC News)

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RD: Nona Faustine

Article: Nona Faustine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hyperallergic
Credits:

• Nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Dilettante Army (talk · give credit), PigeonChickenFish (talk · give credit) and ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: African-American portrait photographer. A few uncited statements, and could use expansion of analysis of her work. ForsythiaJo (talk) 18:44, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Norm Clarke

Article: Norm Clarke (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KSNV
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by AJFU (talk · give credit) and TheYearbookTeacher (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Article looks good Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:19, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

• Posted to RD Adequate depth, fully referenced. Spencer^T•C 04:51, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

RD: Patrick Dineen

Article: Patrick Dineen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Irish Examiner
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs some work on its references Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:19, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Eddie James

Article: Eddie James (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Rockstone35 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Was executed by the state of Florida yesterday, March 20th. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 21:14, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:31, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 04:12, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

RD: Vitold Fokin

Article: Vitold Fokin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 ArionStar (talk) 17:20, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article is well cited and good enough for RD. Editor 5426387 (talk) 18:09, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose the article needs more sources and in-depth coverage of his life and premiership. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:35, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
• SupportArticle is in good enough shape. –DMartin 01:36, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Currently orange-tagged, and that's a showstopper. Schwede66 21:50, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Kirsty Coventry elected first female president of the IOC

Article: Kirsty Coventry (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kirsty Coventry (pictured) is elected as the first female president of the International Olympic Committee. (Post)
Alternative blurb II: ​ Zimbabwe's Kirsty Coventry (pictured) is elected as the first African and female president of the International Olympic Committee.
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:

• Nominated by Hektor (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)

 Hektor (talk) 16:15, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Orange tag. ArionStar (talk) 16:54, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment I rephrased the blurb and put her picture as well TNM101 (chat) 17:18, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Two orange tags. Secretlondon (talk) 18:16, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment - only one sentence on the election. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:24, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose president of the IOC isn't ITN worthy in my opinion. Scuba 20:28, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support in principle as IOC president is the top post in the world of sports. A bit more info on the IOC selection process, her relationship with Thomas Bach (apparently her mentor?) would be useful. Khuft (talk) 21:29, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support First woman to be elected as IOC president seem like a big deal. Even if IOC is a big corrupt mess. Canadianpoliticaljunkie (talk) 21:46, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability(this should be ITN/R), but wait becuase of article quality. Article needs to be made WP:BLP compliant. –DMartin 01:38, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose On quality/notability and that people get elected alot, it's all politics. Wish her luck though Koltinn (talk) 03:11, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

  @Koltinn: Well of course it's all politics, it's an election. –DMartin –DMartin 05:08, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. Not ITN material. She's not running a country, it's just an administrative organisation that organises the games.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:29, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability. Noting that, while guidelines are not necessarily equivalent between projects, it is already on the German Wikipedia, Swedish Wikipedia, Dutch Wikipedia, out of the other top 10 Wikipedias. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 10:46, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support I can see why the first African and first woman to lead the IOC would be notable. Based upon the fact that other language Wikipedias are running it is precedence enough for me to support it. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 12:31, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality For all this, this (the current bolded article, about the sesssion) is really a short article (once you ignore the pictures and stats). And if it were to have Kirsty Coventry as featured, that's far away from being close to properly sourced. Masem (t) 13:15, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

  has been updated. Rushtheeditor (talk) 23:03, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support per ITNR but wait untill the session officially concludes. Shaneapickle (talk) 13:28, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Bach's election in 2013 was posted, for reference. Personally I'm not convinced the head of the IOC is noteworthy enough for ITN, but I'm not a real expert on the power the IOC president has. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:20, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support Rushtheeditor (talk) 19:20, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support This will have a major impact world-wide. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:21, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability, but oppose on article quality. Neither the current bolded article (144th IOC Session) or the article on Coventry are ready to post. Natg 19 (talk) 20:27, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose I do not think who is IOC president is important enough for ITN. Tradedia^talk 21:23, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

  this falls under ITNR and according to another person, Bach's election was posted. Shaneapickle (talk) 22:13, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

This does not fall under ITNR. ITNR covers general elections for sovereign countries, European Union elections, and United Nations Security Council elections. Natg 19 (talk) 23:23, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

This isn't ITN/R. Scuba 00:18, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

• Strong support, like Mahamoud Ali Youssouf, who also appeared, leaders of major international organizations are equally relevant. ArionStar (talk) 02:04, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support First woman and first African is the positive news some have been calling for. Secretlondon (talk) 11:57, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

support blurb2 First women and first African (should be ITN too as a the largest int'l sporting body).Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:00, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

note itnr discussion started on the talk page.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:06, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Support Article is okay in quality. Pretty big IOC news. She'll be running 2026 Milano Cortina and 2028 LA. Bremps... 03:44, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

• Posted Alt2. Schwede66 21:46, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
• The quality issues pointed out by several above do not seem to have been addressed. Masem (t) 21:49, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
• Pull. @Schwede66: Entire unsourced paragraphs still remain in this article. Black Kite (talk) 22:13, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

  Which article are you referring to, Black Kite? I note that 144th IOC Session is the target article. Schwede66 22:22, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

  Ah yeah, I see, sorry. Target article is a bit thin/stubby, but I suppose it's acceptable. Since the actual story is about Coventry, though, it would have been a lot better for her article to be bolded. Black Kite (talk) 22:34, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

  Yeah, the Coventry article cannot in its current state become the target article. Schwede66 23:11, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

  target article is basicly a barebones news article, which is not representative of quality we are usually looking for at ITN. ITN is not about posting news items, but quality articles that happen to be in the news, and I'd expect far better I'm this case (on the session article). Sometimes news happens and from an encyclopedia POV there is very little we can really write about much less feature it, and this appears to be such a case. Masem (t) 23:24, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

• Pull, head of an international sports committee is not interesting. Note that this story is not getting much play in the news media. On top of that, the blurb runs against longstanding consensus of claiming that "firsts" are ITN-worthy. Abductive (reasoning) 11:13, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

• I'd suggest it's very interesting to some people, and not interesting to others (including you). And there certainly was quite widepsread coverage on the day of the election. Black Kite (talk) 11:27, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

  I can't think of anyone for whom this is interesting. Most of the world watches the Olympics every four years (or two years if including the winter version) and that's about it. This is nowhere near as major a role as the above comments seem to imply.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:27, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment I'm so glad this has finally been posted. Secretlondon (talk) 21:53, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

(Posted RD): Eddie Jordan

Article: Eddie Jordan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Eddie Jordan, the motorsports driver, entrepreneur and pundit, dies aged 76. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Motorsport driver and businessman Eddie Jordan dies aged 76
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:

• Nominated by KTC (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 KTC (talk) 08:53, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb Definitely a giant of the sport in more ways than one. Signed Michael Schumacher into F1, had long-standing team which promoted many new names, was a renowned commentator and Ireland's best known name in F1. His influence on the sport was enormous. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:57, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support RD, undecided on blurb. Good article and undoubtedly a major figure in F1, but I'm not convinced he's the kind of figure than breaks out of that domain into general interest to the extent that justifies a blurb. Big figure in British media after his team ownership days but I'm not sure about wider reach. The US isn't really a big F1 market so may need to give this 12 hours for Austrailia to comment. 3142 (talk) 11:14, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support Well written and major figure in F1. I have no objections to a blurb. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:23, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality many lines and paras are unsourced. Please, check the article before blindly support the nomination. I've added some CN tags and orange tagged the article. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:26, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

I've looked at your tags and many of them strike me as redundant: for example you have tagged a statement that is primarily about Heinz-Harald Frentzen, but there is a link to Frentzen right there and his article is referenced. Just because people reach a different conclusion to you doesn't mean they have not done their homework, indeed, a reader attempting to verify an article or a reviewer assessing quality is expected to scratch a bit deeper than blindly asserting "Oh look there's a sentence without a hatnote there." 3142 (talk) 12:20, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Our citation policy requires citations to be in the article even if there's a blue link and it is cited there. Articles are meant to be able to be used in isolation (like if someone printed it out). — Masem (t) 12:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

great that the article and tags are checked, it is the only way to ensure that the article has the quality it should have to be posted and that it doesn't have yet. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:26, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose RD on quality. Oppose blurb, there is nothing in the article that indicates how he was a major figure in F1. We cannot take handwaving claims of greatness. Masem (t) 11:54, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality and RD only. Yes, he is a major figure in F1, but I just don't think he is a world-wide famous figure known for everyone. Unnamelessness (talk) 12:35, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality and Oppose blurb per Masem. After reading through his article (and all those uncited statements), I cannot see how he had the sort of "transformative impact" in F1 to deserve a blurb. If the sentences do get cited, I will support for RD TNM101 (chat) 12:51, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

  Changing my vote to Support RD only as article is now well-referenced TNM101 (chat) 17:05, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality, oppose blurb - per TNM

Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment some of the oppose votes are quite baffling. F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport and is one of the biggest sports worldwide, its popularity in the US is merely an anomaly in the global picture. Jordan revolutionised the sport in that he gave so many notable drivers their debut and the way in which he ran his own team (which is a rarity in F1). He was Irish, Jordan raced on an Irish licence, he lived in South Africa, his popularity was global. The article does not reflect this, but that is a quality issue not a notability issue, we should not conflate the two. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:02, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
  • It's not baffling at all Abcmaxx; there are probably multiple dozen people who would rank above Jordan in terms of impact on Formula One, and if you rank that far down you haven't had that big of an impact. I loved Eddie Jordan's character, kindness, and Belgium 98 will always have a place in my heart, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:13, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
  • None of that, on terms of being a major F1 figure, has sourcing to say those are elements of his greatness. Those aspects are documented, but not why they contribute towards being a major figure. That's the handwaving I'm talking about. If that can be sourced from multiple RSes including obits, then maybe that helps. But no sourcing of this type means we can't begin to consider that. — Masem (t) 23:22, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Article is in a bit of a better state now, in my opinion. All CN tags have been resolved, and major issues (that I am aware of) have been fixed. Formatting and phrasing has also been adjusted to be more organized/encyclopedic. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 23:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
• Not remotely blurbworthy. For the umpteenth time, death blurbs are not for "people I've heard of" it's for the true top contributors. Not sure who might qualify in F1, perhaps Schumacher or Hamilton as legitimate "goat" contenders, Verstappen if he continues his trajectory, but that's about it. Jordan was a charismatic and interesting character, but not transformative.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:46, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb, wait due to quality Per ABC, Jordan was the one last "true" privateer team relying on sponsors, to score wins also being a foot in the f1 or second chance. Amakuro, I ask you DID Verstappen, Schumacher or Hamilton run an F1 team? Koltinn (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 03:03, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb If getting a blurb was in Monaco, Jordan would be in Singapore- not even the same continent of being sufficiently transformative in his field. -- Kicking222 (talk) 03:12, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb I held back yesterday because of the shape of the article, but it looks much better now, enough for RD. Blurb is not warranted since that should be reserved for the absolute biggest figures in their respective fields, and yes, Jorday was influential, but in the end not nearly successful enough to be considered "a great". Zwerg Nase (talk) 09:11, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support RD only The article is now good enough to post at RD. Whilst a big name in F1 for a long time, don't think he meets the death blurb threshold of "transformative". Joseph2302 (talk) 16:42, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• Posted RD. Black Kite (talk) 12:19, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

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